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Message:: [QUOTE="ErolGarip, post: 2825915, member: 88736"]Now, since we came to "work safety", my this post is addressed to "engineers" and "workers" who are in the field works such as repairement&maintanence at a factory, particularly addressed to "workers" of whom among them there are some with less number of diplomas. Lets take an example, a straight electrican worker at a factory with no certificate or no technican diploma in electricity, not even a graduate of elementary school. How will he understand what I am saying here? I'm sure he is probably having much difficulty in understanding my all words, and worse,  here I am talking mathematics which is another complex issue for him and which is not my specialization, with my poor English... So, to be able to communicate with him, our issue here now is "LANGUAGE"... For this, lets start with "how much" and "how many"... You an American worker, depending on the case, probably quickly chose and say "how much" or "how many" without thinking a second.. But, I for one who learnt English later sometime need to think for a while in chosing which must be used, "how much" or "how many"... I was taught that, as a general rule, when it is about "countable" it is "how many" and when it is about "uncountable" it is "how much"... Now, here, we came to  "language&mathematics" as there is a criteria; countability and uncountability... Lets take "money" here. Is it countable or uncountable? What does mathematics tell about this? I'll jump a little, to a high level mathematics about numbers, but, with a very simplified equation, so that you can see "most important numbers" in mathematics which are used also in physics, in chemistry, in economy, etc., just in one equation only: It is called Euler Identity:::  e^{i.Pi} + 1 = 0 . Forget about its calculation and what this equation in reality means now, just look at the numbers in that equation, which are "e", "i", "Pi", "1" and "0" which is a summary of numbers in mathematics. I'll write only what these numbers are, shortly, without going into their details and will pick up one of them to go on talking about "countability". "e"=2.71828... (three dots mean "etc")"i"=square root of "-1", so, imaginary number. "Pi"=3.14159... "1" and "0" = you already know. Lets pick "e" here as it is used in many fields from engineering to economy, for example, in calculation of compound interest for money in your bank account... A mathematican says "how much money" because he uses "e=2.71828...", for ex, in his money interest calculations and "e" is an "uncountable" number, in mathematics, it is also named as "irrational" number as the number after comma/point never ends, that's, never repeats.. What an engineer does? (or, a banker, in the result of calculations at a bank?) Lets say total accumulated amount of money with a compound interest after long mathematical calculations is $7489,27369... (numbers after comma appear because of number "e" which is uncountable number as I said above.)... But, you don't see this figure in your bank account, you see a "cut" or in other word, a "rounded" figure, $7489,27... Engineers do similar "cuts" in numbers for "approximations" according to their need in each specific case. But, our item here is "money." So, an engineer says or must say,"how many money"... as seen here, result is practical number, "7289,27" or if we write it in cents, you see better, "728927" which is a "countable number"...  And, it is in "cent", its exact saying should be "how many cent"... NOT "how much cent" at all... Yes, while a mathematican playing with numbers in mathematics about money, sometimes he comes across with such numbers 7489.27369..., but, it is not "money" yet, until it is "cut" to 2 digits after point, that is about "1cent" unit value after cutting/rounding.. Mathematicans who might get confused about my these words can consider such numbers as "intermediate/transformation" numbers used temporarily which is done like in using "i" (imaginary number) in calculations. So, "money" is a countable item, unlike it is claimed by "linguists" who teach us "how much money" which is false... Money is a practical item, used in daily life, and its unit value is "1"... If we don't do this "engineering approach" of cutting/rounding, all physical moneys (yes, I used "s" for plural as money is countable) including coins, banknotes, electronic cards, etc should be cancelled in the life... If a mathematican proposes a new idea saying "lets cancel all physical moneys", still, he should have 1cent first in his pocket... Or, he'll be disconnected from the reality, from current reality of money... So, we now have another language, LANGUAGE of MONEY... which is a language common to everybody in the world... So, now, we can also talk about "integrity" which also exists in "money" and also exists in each "work" field and "integrity" is related to "work safety"... (This topic is to be talked together with engineers here, especially with "old" engineers who are experienced in communicating with workers. Those old engineers can also be helpful to young "safety engineers" who need to think about "1"coin and they too have to have at least one 1coin in their pockets..)[/QUOTE]

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