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<p>[QUOTE="ErolGarip, post: 2799590, member: 88736"]Burton, thanks for explanation of "circulation" and "commemorate", for how the community understand them. It seems that they too are flue definitions. For ex, since we here know well, lets take Turkish coins with Ataturk portrait. Althout they have been circulated almost for a century, these coins here can also be considered as "commemorative", however, if we look at only "government authority" criteria in the (webster) definition of "coin" which says :</p><p><br /></p><p>"commonly held numismatic definition of what a coin is, which is spelled out well in Webster, Second Edition: "A piece of metal (or, rarely, of some other material) certified by a mark or marks upon it to be of a definite exchange value and issued by governmental authority to be used as money." Key here are "mark or marks" and "certified ... by government authority." " (taken from <a href="http://oldestcoins.reidgold.com/article.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://oldestcoins.reidgold.com/article.html" rel="nofollow">http://oldestcoins.reidgold.com/article.html</a> , an article about old ancient coins including world's oldest coin, Lydian's Lion coin, circa 700BC.) (This definition does not fit my logic either. anyway.) </p><p><br /></p><p>So, I now learnt/saw the known first coin in the world. (With my science, engineering as well as some art, for ex, collecting rug, in my background, I do not agree with that, it was not money or can't be the oldest coin because of "floral/animal", not abstract geometric figures on it. Oldest arts have geometric figures unlike floral/animal. Anyway, this is another issue.) However, if we still take this Lydian coin as a reference to my question in this thread, on this oldest coin, I don't see any figure/word related to "number", i.e. counting which is main function in the money. So, I arrived at a conclusion that ancient coins were "unique", that is, there was only one coin type, minted one type only, number on it wasn't needed to seperate from other coins of the day. So, such coins like Lydia coin (if they were money) were used as number of pieces when exchanging things. But, then, exchanges in those old days were not like today, were not like in daily life of today, were probably limited to certain cases, for ex, those coins were probably given as "valuable" item as payments to warriors (as a kind of "marked" gold which has been done for a long time, even today.) </p><p><br /></p><p>So, my conclusion to this thread with my question is: with the knowledge we have today, I can say, the coin started to exist before mathematics... (Or, "government authorities" of the day did not know mathematics. Still same...) </p><p><br /></p><p>Ok, thanks. </p><p>regards,</p><p>erol</p><p><br /></p><p>Edited to say: I just saw the post of lehmansterms above (after posting my this post). I'll read it slowly as it is closely related to my question in this thread.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="ErolGarip, post: 2799590, member: 88736"]Burton, thanks for explanation of "circulation" and "commemorate", for how the community understand them. It seems that they too are flue definitions. For ex, since we here know well, lets take Turkish coins with Ataturk portrait. Althout they have been circulated almost for a century, these coins here can also be considered as "commemorative", however, if we look at only "government authority" criteria in the (webster) definition of "coin" which says : "commonly held numismatic definition of what a coin is, which is spelled out well in Webster, Second Edition: "A piece of metal (or, rarely, of some other material) certified by a mark or marks upon it to be of a definite exchange value and issued by governmental authority to be used as money." Key here are "mark or marks" and "certified ... by government authority." " (taken from [url]http://oldestcoins.reidgold.com/article.html[/url] , an article about old ancient coins including world's oldest coin, Lydian's Lion coin, circa 700BC.) (This definition does not fit my logic either. anyway.) So, I now learnt/saw the known first coin in the world. (With my science, engineering as well as some art, for ex, collecting rug, in my background, I do not agree with that, it was not money or can't be the oldest coin because of "floral/animal", not abstract geometric figures on it. Oldest arts have geometric figures unlike floral/animal. Anyway, this is another issue.) However, if we still take this Lydian coin as a reference to my question in this thread, on this oldest coin, I don't see any figure/word related to "number", i.e. counting which is main function in the money. So, I arrived at a conclusion that ancient coins were "unique", that is, there was only one coin type, minted one type only, number on it wasn't needed to seperate from other coins of the day. So, such coins like Lydia coin (if they were money) were used as number of pieces when exchanging things. But, then, exchanges in those old days were not like today, were not like in daily life of today, were probably limited to certain cases, for ex, those coins were probably given as "valuable" item as payments to warriors (as a kind of "marked" gold which has been done for a long time, even today.) So, my conclusion to this thread with my question is: with the knowledge we have today, I can say, the coin started to exist before mathematics... (Or, "government authorities" of the day did not know mathematics. Still same...) Ok, thanks. regards, erol Edited to say: I just saw the post of lehmansterms above (after posting my this post). I'll read it slowly as it is closely related to my question in this thread.[/QUOTE]
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