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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Vess1, post: 1341568, member: 13650&quot;]What I&#039;ve learned is that it doesn&#039;t pay to go cheap.&nbsp; Look around youtube at how much protection cheap safes provide.&nbsp; I&#039;m talking about large, $1k guns safes considered &#039;premium&#039;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Many of them aren&#039;t so premium.&nbsp; But the key thing I learned is how important it is to bolt one to the floor. If you&nbsp; notice in most videos of people testing safes, the first thing they do is tip it over on it&#039;s back.&nbsp; This is so they can get leverage and have gravity working for them.&nbsp; If they can&#039;t tip it over, it would be almost impossible to pry open most safes.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;They also always have TWO people prying.&nbsp; If there&#039;s only one person, it would be much more difficult and take much longer, if they could do it at all.&nbsp; &nbsp; I like the Liberty safes and have a Lincoln series.&nbsp; &nbsp; These are high end, have 1&quot; doors, reinforced steel behind that, anti-pry tabs, 24 active 1.25&quot; bolts.&nbsp;&nbsp; They were not able to pry one open in an hour of trying.&nbsp; They have ball bearings around the lock that break drill bits if they try that method.</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It&#039;s also 730 lbs.&nbsp; This is the small one.&nbsp;&nbsp; But they start at a couple thousand dollars.&nbsp;&nbsp; Their best high end ones go up to $5700.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;Thing is, trying to get a good deal on one at a retail store is pointless.&nbsp; They&#039;re a magnet for a criminal and they&#039;re either going to work or not.&nbsp;&nbsp; There&#039;s no in betweens.&nbsp;&nbsp; It&#039;s all about selling safes and not real security.&nbsp; Basically people throw their money away on cheap ones.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think it pays to cut corners on one of these if you&#039;re serious.&nbsp; You might keep a family member out but probably not two professional criminals.&nbsp; Based on what I&#039;ve seen, I would not waste money on anything less than a Liberty or equivalent.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp; I agree, the temps may get too hot in a fire.&nbsp; I got a media cooler for mine and&nbsp; use additional, smaller safes inside that would not exceed 125 degrees, in the worst case scenario.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp; It&#039;s good to have fire safes for fire protection but they aren&#039;t going to provide the security you expect.&nbsp; You just have to know that going in.&nbsp;&nbsp; To have good fire protection AND real security in one package costs money.&nbsp; Some people don&#039;t want to know this and are satisfied being nieve about it.&nbsp; Just the facts.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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