Coin of the day #6.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ldhair, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm going to try to post one coin each day about something fun. Feel free to add to the thread with something related.

    This is a fun coin. Some would look at this and think it was fake but it's not. It's from a well known die. Back in those days the mints could not waste a die over minor issues. If not stored properly, they would rust and it was not easy to clean them down in the devices. PCGS has only gave an MS grade to one piece as far as I know. This is not that coin. I wish it was. My coin will never straight grade for other reasons.

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  3. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    So the obverse appearance is the result of a rusty die face? That is a very cool story. Does that also explain the odd break in the top loop of the "9"?
     
  4. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Supporter! Supporter

    Why would this not straight-grade? Does it has surface issues on the obverse? It has great details!
     
  5. APX78

    APX78 Active Member

    Interesting post and very impressive coin!:)
     
  6. bear32211

    bear32211 Still Learning

    It's like night and day. The reverse with it's smooth, clean lines compared to the obverse with the rough textured look.
     
  7. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Derp, derp, derp!

    This series is already one of my favorites. Thanks @ldhair
     
  8. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Funny you would open your post with, "Some would look at this and think it was fake but it's not." so I assume you've verified that. My first thought was that it was a cast when I noticed the two blobs on the edge above the reverse T, which reminds me of a casting sprue.
     
  9. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Coin is in good shape. Reverse looks super
     
  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    It's funny you noticed the top of the 9 as I have an 1849 half dime with the same sort of 9 in its date....bad year for 9's no doupt.
     
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  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    PVC killed most of the luster.
     
  12. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Supporter! Supporter

    Bummer
     
  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's a fun coin to understand. It's a well known die so no question it's real.
     
  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm not sure. My first thought was a damaged date punch but that can't be right. Next I thought the die was damaged but I don't think that's right either.
     
  15. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    1849 -9 h 10 obv-crop.jpg 1849 h -10 dates.jpg 1849-6 ovd H-10.jpg
    I need to find my h 10 and repost the image...top of the 9 broken.
     
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  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    ok here's something very interesting.....compare the 9 on Larry's coin the dime, as to mine on the H-10 notice anything besides the defect at the top of the loop?
     
  17. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    1849o_103b_rev_diag2.jpg Larry your specimen is an 103 c obv. 2.3 /rev. B. DR-1 L
    The R factor is an R-4 rusted dies ,weak high level date, small o, spurs on Ame (ri) ca .
    49o_2.2b_rev.jpg notice the spurs on the R & I that go upward from the bottom of the lettering. These are the pups for this variety.
    Another interesting point with a mintage of 300k there are two major mm size varieties,plus a total of 14 varities for the date and mint mark.
    Back to my last post referrig to the 9 notice the defect at the loop ,but also notice the ball of the 9 which has a pointed end not a rounded ball shape.
    The same design as the ball on the h-10
     
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  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    @Paddy54 Thank you. Could the same punch have been used? I would think the dime punch would be larger.
     
  19. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    I'm thinking that whom ever made the punch be it a die and tool maker or a company contracted to make punches or" both"...made the ball or designed the digit 9 that way. I do believe like you the dime diget punch was not interchanged in making dies for both the dime and h-10
     
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  20. Jaelus

    Jaelus Hungarian Collector Supporter

    Another example with rust-pitted dies for both faces:

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  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The obverse of this Civil War Token was struck with rusted dies.
    Scovill's Liberty Cap LC 4.1
    I have not identified the rev. yet. IMG_0001.JPG IMG_0002.JPG
     
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