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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;The Trachy Enjoyer, post: 7499430, member: 118358&quot;]I posted about this trachy a while back. I had it identified as being of John Comnenus Ducas (as had CNG who identified it by ruler but not by sear number in a group lot). The trachy shows the emperor and a Saint holding the model city of Thessalonica between them, sear type 2213 (my coin&#039;s obverse is dead but would show a cross as type 2213). However, my example showed the emperor holding a labarum as well. I couldn&#039;t find a match anywhere with a labarum so I noted this and left the coin IDed as an odd variation of 2213. Today, I came across another type which makes me reconsider my initial ID and that of CNG. It is sear 2183 of Manuel I Comnenus Ducas, predecessor of John.</p><p>(My coin)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1296133[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1296134[/ATTACH]</p><p>Here is a pristine example of sear 2213 (from CNG), what I had initially IDed my trachy as. I had never considered Manuel and sear 2183 as an ID because I had only seen large module examples which looked like this, not similar to mine:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1296138[/ATTACH]</p><p>However, as I was glancing through LBC trying to ID some small module trachys I had, I realized that sear 2183 also had small module examples which look to be a match for coin, labarum and all. Take a look at these comparison pictures with my coin vs 2183 and 2213:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>(My trachy vs small module Sear 2183, Despot Manuel I)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1296140[/ATTACH]</p><p>Notice all four examples here have a labarum. The top right example even has a &quot;U&quot; in the top center of the coin, something which I was confused by on mine.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>(My example vs small module Sear 2213, what I initially IDed based on style and what CNG had listed)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1296139[/ATTACH]</p><p>Notice none of the examples have a labarum</p><p><br /></p><p>In comparing my coin with types 2183 and 2213, I was honestly a little surprised to see small modules issues of Manuel I in this type. I hadn&#039;t run into anything comparable online but these plates do show similarities. I was also surprised by the stylistic similarities between the small module examples of Manuel and John for 2183/2213. They look almost identical except for the labarum and the tendency of Manuel&#039;s coin to have a much lengthier legend. I can&#039;t say I blame CNG for IDing it as of John. If LBC didn&#039;t have these plates for small module 2183 examples, I think I would have left my ID as 2213.</p><p><br /></p><p>See my previous write up for information on the coinage of John Comnenus Ducas: <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/emperor-despot-john-comnenus-ducas-one-of-the-most-prolific-byzantine-minters-history-coinage.378845/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/emperor-despot-john-comnenus-ducas-one-of-the-most-prolific-byzantine-minters-history-coinage.378845/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/emperor-despot-john-comnenus-ducas-one-of-the-most-prolific-byzantine-minters-history-coinage.378845/</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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