Coin Investing via Coin Talk

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Mr. Coin Lover, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    I don't have much to disagree on everyone's comments and hopefully this will not offend any newcomers.

    I believe in general most coin collecters in cointalk are VERY passionate with what they collect. Sure, it would be very nice if every coin we collect appreciate in value. Reality wise, that doesn't happen to everything.

    If someone is to ask me what's likely to rise in value, I would be very weary and think twice with whom I'm talking - I most certainly don't want to be blamed if someone bombed several thousands of dollars in what I believe is profitable and turned out to be totally wrong. These days there's just so much finger pointing when things go wrong and it's not funny when money comes into play.

    I believe the best value that you get from cointalk from various forum members is numismatic education, not investment advice.
     
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  3. Cupcake

    Cupcake Member

    No offense to anyone but sometimes I think the experts, in any field, forget very easily where they started, the dumb questions they ask and that they did not know enough to even join in on a penny discussion.

    In addition sometimes a search and read is useless, especially in the coin world, very quickly.

    As a "newbie" do I feel particularly welcome here, sorry but the answer is no because I have seen people mowed down at the knees far to often and far to often that is done to a "newbie". There is no way in hades I would post a question here or even share a coin I bought etc. for fear of getting told I am a fool by the "experts".

    So all I ask is for you "experts" to take a deep breath next time a newbie comes along with a question ask and answered a hundred times before, just pop in for that one and only time to ask "what's this worth", post a coin that they obviously got taken on, post 10 quick replies to hit the magic "now I can post my ads" etc. to remember when YOU were a newbie.
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    cupcake - let me relate something to you and then you can think of it what you will.

    First of all, I am not an expert. And among all of the thousands of members here on this forum I can only think of 2, maybe 3 who I would even consider calling an expert. To me, expert is a word like rare. It is used way, way too often and very seldom is it ever used in its correct context.

    Now that being said, back in 2002 when this forum first started it was a pretty slow place. Even I didn't sign up and join right away, I was a lurker just like many are today. But as usually happens a post was made that I just couldn't resist responding to and so I joined becoming member two hundred and something.

    Now people tell me today, often complain about it even, that I am too harsh, too abrubpt, too blunt if you will. And I put members old and new alike off because of the way I post and what I have to say. And maybe they are right, I admit that I am blunt and to the point and I never sugarcoat anything.

    But as I said, when I first joined, the forum pretty much stayed a pretty slow place with not much activity. But then a few newbies started showing up asking questions. Rarely did anybody else answer their questions. The membership we had back then consisted almost exclusively of PCGS, NGC and rcc forum members. There were one or two others who came from Numisadict, another forum that I used to moderate. And honestly, a lot of those people tended to just ignore newbies, or those who seemed like newbies.

    So I began to answer their questions, just like I always did on any other forum. In fact, back then, I was often even asked why I bothered to make it a point to answer questions on not only this forum, but every other forum there was at the time. Most of which nobody here ever even heard of. My answer to them was this - because nobody else will and they deserve to be able to learn. In other words - somebody has to do it.

    Well one thing led to another and as word spread that newbies could come here to Coin Talk and be treated with respect and have their questions answered - more and more newbies began to show up. Soon they were coming in large numbers almost every day. More than a few of our oldest members here will remember this, many of them were newbies themselves when they came. Today, those same people are called experts by the newbies we get now.

    Now my point is this - I have not changed one bit since the first day I got here. I have always been this way, my entire life. But if a guy like me, who as you put it - mowed newbies down at the knees, and who is thought of by more than few around here as being some sort of ogre or something - then what do you suppose it was that made this forum grow as much, as fast, and have so many loyal members who stay year after year ?

    There must be something those newbies like about getting straight, no nonsense answers. There must be something they like about being told plainly - hey, you made a mistake.

    You see there is a big difference between telling a person they screwed up and making fun of them because they screwed up. The former happens a lot around here - the latter never happens, because it isn't allowed - not by me, not by Peter, and not by any of the other mods either.

    So I submit to you that nobody around here has forgotten where they came from or how they started. And as I have already said, I can remember when a whole lot of them were as fresh as the driven snow. Today they answer the questions while I just sit back, smile, and feel proud of them.

    Now I don't mean to single you out, there are others who feel just like you do. So this response of mine is for all of you. Perhaps you should take another look at what actually goes on around here. And this time keep an open mind and try not to be biased just because you have seen mistreatment of newbies elsewhere. For as I said earlier, mistreatment doesn't happen around here - we don't allow it.
     
  5. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    Well, Doug, you have to remember that most of the people who seem to take exception to being told the honest truth have grown up in the "all-included, nobody left behind, everyone gets a trophy" world. When you and I grew up if you didn't cut the mustard, you didn't make the team, and you went home and you practiced until you were good enough to make the team. And even then, if you didn't win, you lost and you didn't get a trophy...there were winners and losers. Thats the problem with these people today....everyone thinks they should be right, and be rewarded for being so, even when they're plainly wrong. If someone needs sugarcoated answers to everything they ask and can't handle a truthful response by someone like yourself who is always willing to spend the time to give one, then their problem lies with themselves, not you or anyone else. I say keep giving it as it is and never pander to emotional instability...that isn't good for anyone.
    GUy~
     
  6. DoK U Mint

    DoK U Mint In Odd we Trust

    At least that was not a run on sentience.
    sensence


    Or sentence.

    :eating:
     
  7. RUFUSREDDOG

    RUFUSREDDOG Senior Member

    My old GunneySgt would love this.

    "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to ya!":loud:

    Keep up the good work.:yawn:
     
  8. silvermonger

    silvermonger Member

    oxymoronic

    coin investment counseling?


    "coin investment"?

    isnt that like...

    "military intelligence"?

    or...

    "congressional investigation"?
     
  9. DoK U Mint

    DoK U Mint In Odd we Trust

    Military Music, to my ears?:eek:dd:

    Of~Silvermonger. Quick.
    Check out the recent post today on the OP trying to learn if they have Oxymoronic~ed themselves by microwaving hydrogen peroxide with "some copper".
     
  10. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    But you are OUR OGRE !:goofer:

    Jim
     
  11. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    I disagree. And I've learned a lot from your ability to present information without sugar-coating it.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Thank you.

    I guess I shouldn't let it bother me, but when you get told time after time -

    you post too much

    you don't post enough

    you don't give complete information

    why all the loooooooong post, just yes or no will do

    you evade the question

    we didn't ask about that

    you're condescending and treat people like little kids

    you are too abrasive and blunt

    you're too strict

    you're too loose

    we want free speech

    why do you allow people to talk like that

    we should be able to post all the advertising links we want

    I'm tired of seeing all this SPAM

    I could fill the page with directly contradictory statements about how I am. It's enough to give a guy a complex :goofer:
     
  13. david mackenzie

    david mackenzie david mackenzie

    The majority of coin collectors have their own view what to keep or for sale.Go to the coin and paper money shows and see the prices of all coins then you can figure what to collect that is worth$$$.
     
  14. Mr. Coin Lover

    Mr. Coin Lover Supporter**

    Gee, this is an oldie back on the charts.
     
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