Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Coin Chat
>
Coin investing, keep the flaming down!
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 726939, member: 13650"]Any investment is a gamble with varying amounts of calculated risk. If somebody only wants to look at the bad side, then you could argue that every investment is bad and there is nowhere safe to park cash. </p><p><br /></p><p> There are winners and losers in coins just as there have been winners and losers in the stock market. I don't believe you can claim the entire coin market is a bad investment just like you can't say the entire stock market is a bad investment. You take a gamble and pick out what you think will do well. It's all gambling.</p><p><br /></p><p> Doug, how many $1500 Morgans did you buy during that time? How many did anyone you know buy? Did you realize at that time that those prices were crazy? Did a lot of people? From what I understand, the speculators came into the market (just like they have in every other market in the last few years, remember $4/gallon gas?? The mortgage crisis?) and jacked the prices unreasonably. It wasn't real. Collectors didn't do it.</p><p><br /></p><p> A 1909-S VDB going from $100 to $1500, is real. How do you compare the two situations and say they're equal?</p><p><br /></p><p> Now, to invest in coins, you would have to be willing to make purchases of stuff that was very nice that you didn't care about. Because remember, you have to sell at a profit to realize this investment. Not many people want to do that. Nobody wants to sell. </p><p> I would rather have a nice coin to look at that's holding value and can be passed down to my heirs rather than a wad of fiat currency losing value annually. Just because we're forced to use it in commerce today doesn't mean or guarantee it will have ANY value in another 100 years.</p><p><br /></p><p> How can you blame anybody for wanting to get out of cash in any way possible? Be it coins or anything? </p><p><br /></p><p> If you want to do a real test that everybody can do, take a $100 bill and 'stick it under the mattress' today. Then buy the nicest semi-key $100 coin you can find, preferably slabbed. Then find a strong company on the DOW and write down how many shares you can buy for $100. Wait 50 years and see what happens. What option of the 3 looks the most promising percentage wise? </p><p><br /></p><p> In 50 years, we know the $100 bill won't be worth NEARLY as much as you can buy with it today. That's already fact. Maybe it'll be equivalent to $20. If it was stuck in a savings account at 1% interest per year it'd be worth $164.46 after 50 years. Which will be equivalent to maybe $30 by that time if we're lucky! A CD might be a little better but not much considering how ridiculous even those rates have become. Rarely enough to beat real inflation.</p><p><br /></p><p> Now which strong company did we pick that will survive 50 years of changing market conditions and possible corruption from within? Did we win or lose? Did it beat inflation? How'd we come out after fees, capital gains taxes and income taxes? </p><p><br /></p><p> The semi-key coin is now 50 years older. There's a much larger population of potential collectors. Still collectable? How strong is the hobby? Only time will tell.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 726939, member: 13650"]Any investment is a gamble with varying amounts of calculated risk. If somebody only wants to look at the bad side, then you could argue that every investment is bad and there is nowhere safe to park cash. There are winners and losers in coins just as there have been winners and losers in the stock market. I don't believe you can claim the entire coin market is a bad investment just like you can't say the entire stock market is a bad investment. You take a gamble and pick out what you think will do well. It's all gambling. Doug, how many $1500 Morgans did you buy during that time? How many did anyone you know buy? Did you realize at that time that those prices were crazy? Did a lot of people? From what I understand, the speculators came into the market (just like they have in every other market in the last few years, remember $4/gallon gas?? The mortgage crisis?) and jacked the prices unreasonably. It wasn't real. Collectors didn't do it. A 1909-S VDB going from $100 to $1500, is real. How do you compare the two situations and say they're equal? Now, to invest in coins, you would have to be willing to make purchases of stuff that was very nice that you didn't care about. Because remember, you have to sell at a profit to realize this investment. Not many people want to do that. Nobody wants to sell. I would rather have a nice coin to look at that's holding value and can be passed down to my heirs rather than a wad of fiat currency losing value annually. Just because we're forced to use it in commerce today doesn't mean or guarantee it will have ANY value in another 100 years. How can you blame anybody for wanting to get out of cash in any way possible? Be it coins or anything? If you want to do a real test that everybody can do, take a $100 bill and 'stick it under the mattress' today. Then buy the nicest semi-key $100 coin you can find, preferably slabbed. Then find a strong company on the DOW and write down how many shares you can buy for $100. Wait 50 years and see what happens. What option of the 3 looks the most promising percentage wise? In 50 years, we know the $100 bill won't be worth NEARLY as much as you can buy with it today. That's already fact. Maybe it'll be equivalent to $20. If it was stuck in a savings account at 1% interest per year it'd be worth $164.46 after 50 years. Which will be equivalent to maybe $30 by that time if we're lucky! A CD might be a little better but not much considering how ridiculous even those rates have become. Rarely enough to beat real inflation. Now which strong company did we pick that will survive 50 years of changing market conditions and possible corruption from within? Did we win or lose? Did it beat inflation? How'd we come out after fees, capital gains taxes and income taxes? The semi-key coin is now 50 years older. There's a much larger population of potential collectors. Still collectable? How strong is the hobby? Only time will tell.[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Coin Chat
>
Coin investing, keep the flaming down!
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...