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<p>[QUOTE="chrisild, post: 2208772, member: 39"]Hmm, Cyprus and Ireland are not in the Schengen Area either. And of course checks near the member state lines are possible even within "Schengenland". If you then have lots of cash (> €10,000), or precious works of art etc., with you without having declared it, that may get you into an uncomfortable situation.</p><p><br /></p><p>Smuggling will always be possible, but always with certain risks. Dealers or collectors who know that outside the European Union they can make more money with such items may well try it. Also keep in mind that there is a world outside the EU <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and that bringing them there would definitely be tougher or impossible.</p><p><br /></p><p>As far as I can tell, the proposed law is, on one hand, merely a specification of a European Union framework regulation, <a href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:039:0001:0007:en:PDF" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:039:0001:0007:en:PDF" rel="nofollow">see here</a>. The situation in other member states is therefore not fundamentally different, but the German plans would be extremely rigid. They would introduce reverse onus clauses and may even violate legal principles such as <i>nulla poena sine lege</i>. (IANAL though.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I fully respect the intention behind the plans of Ms Grütters: Illegal excavations (e.g. Bulgaria) or trade with ancients objects from war areas (e.g. Iraq) are a problem and should be prevented - well, made as difficult as possible. What the government currently plans, however, is written with a terribly broad brush so to say.</p><p><br /></p><p>Christian[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="chrisild, post: 2208772, member: 39"]Hmm, Cyprus and Ireland are not in the Schengen Area either. And of course checks near the member state lines are possible even within "Schengenland". If you then have lots of cash (> €10,000), or precious works of art etc., with you without having declared it, that may get you into an uncomfortable situation. Smuggling will always be possible, but always with certain risks. Dealers or collectors who know that outside the European Union they can make more money with such items may well try it. Also keep in mind that there is a world outside the EU ;) and that bringing them there would definitely be tougher or impossible. As far as I can tell, the proposed law is, on one hand, merely a specification of a European Union framework regulation, [URL='http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:039:0001:0007:en:PDF']see here[/URL]. The situation in other member states is therefore not fundamentally different, but the German plans would be extremely rigid. They would introduce reverse onus clauses and may even violate legal principles such as [I]nulla poena sine lege[/I]. (IANAL though.) I fully respect the intention behind the plans of Ms Grütters: Illegal excavations (e.g. Bulgaria) or trade with ancients objects from war areas (e.g. Iraq) are a problem and should be prevented - well, made as difficult as possible. What the government currently plans, however, is written with a terribly broad brush so to say. Christian[/QUOTE]
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