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<p>[QUOTE="Boss, post: 539642, member: 15110"]Tom this sounds like stuff I would have tried 6 months ago. I have learned a lot on this forum and paid some expensive mistakes. Blue Ribbon "Coin Conditioner" will often remove spots you described. Google it- their are still places that sell it online, though it's officially banned due to being a carcinogen. Thads Veridigone it a virtual cure in my opinion all for verdigris which may be what you described as well. Private mail him and he can sell it to you. I would highly recommend it. I would have saved my 09 S VDB had I known about it. I am soaking a messed up 1914 D currently and the spots are totally disappearing. When done I will do before/after photos. This coin was hairlined as well (from scrubbing prior to my ownership) and now you can't see the hairlines, though I can't explain why. BTW, the strong rubbing you described on this coin, low value or not, will most definitely hairline the coin- cause parallel scratch marks. This is a bad thing in numismatics. </p><p> </p><p>E-zest is a "dip" and doesn't not generally look good on coppers. If it's a worn copper it tends to cause the coin to look really bad- harshly treated. Old/worn copper coins oxidize and are not natural when the look the orange/pink colors that these dips turn them into. Some people greatly dilute these dips with DS water and do on MS coins, though I have experimented on low value MS coins and they never look right. This is an art that is difficult. I sympathize with your desire to fix your coins, as I struggle with dirty ugly coins, with eye appeal problems. 90% ++ people on this site will make weird faces and rant, you shouldn't do anything that you have thus described so far which maybe reason for not a lot of posts. Your learning, but like I said above, I would stick with Veridigone for the most type problems you get on coppers and could practice removing grime/dirt with a fresh green rose thorn. I place coin in an Intercept brand 2 x 2 holder to stabilize, hold loope with one hand and holder with same hand, and thorn with the other. I do under 20 x magnification. As I said earlier you will scratch coins, invariably, with this method until you get good at it. Would not use Vedigone to remove grime and dirt. Grime and dirt have not reacted with the coin, generally and can be removed by mechanical friction. Verdigris is a reaction of contaminants with copper. This can only really be removed chemically. </p><p> </p><p>Interestingly, I have removed verdigris with long- like 2-6 months soaks in mineral oil and a rose thorn. The metal layer is usually gone underneath if it wasn't too deep and there is a remaining spot. Remove with multiple xylene soaks, rinse liberally with distilled water. Very easy to drop coins in this process. Do over carpeted area or be extremely careful. I have droped coins and this is another painful lesson. I think you will get a lot more out of xylene than lighter fluid with no harm to the coin. Xylene is generally considered safe for copper to remove oils and organic contaminants. PURE acetone as well. Let it evaporate in a dish and see if residue left. Then it's not pure. Nail polish remover is not pure- has toulene and other products that discolor copper weird colors. Xylene smells bad, so use a carbon filter mask. If you look up cleaning you on this post, so many good debates will come up and you will learn a lot. Also Collectors Society on the NGC boards has some really great posts by some pretty experience people in my opinion :high5::high5:[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Boss, post: 539642, member: 15110"]Tom this sounds like stuff I would have tried 6 months ago. I have learned a lot on this forum and paid some expensive mistakes. Blue Ribbon "Coin Conditioner" will often remove spots you described. Google it- their are still places that sell it online, though it's officially banned due to being a carcinogen. Thads Veridigone it a virtual cure in my opinion all for verdigris which may be what you described as well. Private mail him and he can sell it to you. I would highly recommend it. I would have saved my 09 S VDB had I known about it. I am soaking a messed up 1914 D currently and the spots are totally disappearing. When done I will do before/after photos. This coin was hairlined as well (from scrubbing prior to my ownership) and now you can't see the hairlines, though I can't explain why. BTW, the strong rubbing you described on this coin, low value or not, will most definitely hairline the coin- cause parallel scratch marks. This is a bad thing in numismatics. E-zest is a "dip" and doesn't not generally look good on coppers. If it's a worn copper it tends to cause the coin to look really bad- harshly treated. Old/worn copper coins oxidize and are not natural when the look the orange/pink colors that these dips turn them into. Some people greatly dilute these dips with DS water and do on MS coins, though I have experimented on low value MS coins and they never look right. This is an art that is difficult. I sympathize with your desire to fix your coins, as I struggle with dirty ugly coins, with eye appeal problems. 90% ++ people on this site will make weird faces and rant, you shouldn't do anything that you have thus described so far which maybe reason for not a lot of posts. Your learning, but like I said above, I would stick with Veridigone for the most type problems you get on coppers and could practice removing grime/dirt with a fresh green rose thorn. I place coin in an Intercept brand 2 x 2 holder to stabilize, hold loope with one hand and holder with same hand, and thorn with the other. I do under 20 x magnification. As I said earlier you will scratch coins, invariably, with this method until you get good at it. Would not use Vedigone to remove grime and dirt. Grime and dirt have not reacted with the coin, generally and can be removed by mechanical friction. Verdigris is a reaction of contaminants with copper. This can only really be removed chemically. Interestingly, I have removed verdigris with long- like 2-6 months soaks in mineral oil and a rose thorn. The metal layer is usually gone underneath if it wasn't too deep and there is a remaining spot. Remove with multiple xylene soaks, rinse liberally with distilled water. Very easy to drop coins in this process. Do over carpeted area or be extremely careful. I have droped coins and this is another painful lesson. I think you will get a lot more out of xylene than lighter fluid with no harm to the coin. Xylene is generally considered safe for copper to remove oils and organic contaminants. PURE acetone as well. Let it evaporate in a dish and see if residue left. Then it's not pure. Nail polish remover is not pure- has toulene and other products that discolor copper weird colors. Xylene smells bad, so use a carbon filter mask. If you look up cleaning you on this post, so many good debates will come up and you will learn a lot. Also Collectors Society on the NGC boards has some really great posts by some pretty experience people in my opinion :high5::high5:[/QUOTE]
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