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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;National dealer, post: 15168, member: 487&quot;]Even if the claims are true that 50% or better are cleaned why do you choose to blame the dealers? I don&#039;t understand your recent dealer bashing here on the forum. </p><p>You have been spreading all sorts of tips on cleaning, yet you blame the dealers for doing this.</p><p>GDJMSP and Satootoko are quite correct as usual. MOST dealers have no desire to clean coins. Maybe the mom and pop dealers that have a few coins laying around. CLEANED coins only hurt the hobby. No reputable dealer is out to take advantage of anyone. The simple fact is that an educated consumer is the best consumer. That certainly includes the customer who can grade. Because it is this consumer that isn&#039;t wasting our time arguing over whether a coin should or should not be cleaned. </p><p>Fact 1. Cleaned coins lose value</p><p>Fact 2. Dealers don&#039;t like to lose money</p><p>For the book that you are quoting, can you find the passage that blames the dealers for cleaning coins?</p><p>Scott Travers is a very large dealer in this country and his books are great referrence tools. If you take the time to read what his views are on cleaning, you will find that they are the same as the ones listed here by the people here who know what is happening in the coin community. You may not these facts, or even care to believe them, but that won&#039;t change them from being facts.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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