Coin Cleaning

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Capachino any one?

In the same vane with what was said about distilled water - what about steam cleaing with distilled water - at home I guess one could you use there espresso-capocchino maker - no?

 

i heard that you could use ultrasound here is what someone said on http://www.predecimal.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=629&

QUOTE "A friend of mine who's a doctor is just starting to take an interest in collecting. I was giving him all the usual advice about not cleaning coins in any way when he asked "what about ultrasound?"

For my enlightenment he explained that ultrasound cleaning involves putting an object into water, pure and simple, and using ultrasound waves to agitate the water molecules to a point where the action of the water alone acts as a cleaning agent.

Apparently it works a treat for oboe reeds - but what about coins? It appears there's no other tangible agent present except the water - and who hasn't used a drop of that to remove surface dirt? Has anyone else had experience of ultrasound in this context or any advice as to how safe it may or not be?"

 

nobody has suggested tears yet... like the tears I shed when I see a coin that has been obviously cleaned.

 

Why is it that newer collectors never listen to the ones that truly know?

 

because it goes against nearly all other avenues of trade. It's a hard lesson to learn.

Here's a question: When it comes to spots on silver coins, how do you stop, or significantly slow, the progession of the spot? Can it be done?

I am *not* asking how to reverse it... just slow it down or stop it.

 

The only way that I know is either professional conservation, or deal with it.

 

All I've been doing now is replacing their flips every now and again, to make sure the environment is as clean as possible. I don't know if that does any good, but it makes me feel better.

 

because we know that most dealers do clean some of there coins.

 

Sounds like you need to find a better class of dealer.

 

i think cleaning a mint state or near mint state coin is wrong.

but i cannot possible see anything wrong with cleaning a dirty looking circulated coin, a coin that is very very dark and hard to read.

surely any cleaning is better than that, whats the point of a coin you can hardly read because of crud.and considering about half the coins out there are in this state i cant see any reason not to clean then if it enhances the overall appearance.if there wasint ever a reason to clean a coin then why do grading services and others do it professionaly.


And what is professionaly surely they just mean a simple unharmfull way to do this.Something that anyone could learn so why dont people want to say how they do it.


these guys learned i bet through trial and error,or someone that had allready learned told thiem.I think this is just what people here are wanting to know i know i am.


so how does a professional clean a coin whats he use,how does he use it.It aint hard its just protectionism.

no-one wants to tell others how easy it is to make there living

 

on that note - I just went and took a 1901 canadian dime to my dealer... it was marked MS 64, and I told him I wanted to know if it would be benefitial to send off to have graded.

He looked at it, and told me he saw minor signs of cleaning, and it would, therefore, XF at best... and that was just because someone had scrubbed it up a little bit.

All the best detail was there, every hairline, no signs of handling to the naked eye...

for all that whoever wanted to dress this coin up, the only thing they accompished was damaging an otherwise beautiful item - and I feel that is a shame.

Luckily it was only lightly scrubbed or I would toss it in a junk box.


-1901 5 cent, not dime... not important to the point, though.

 

A classic case of arguing from facts not in evidence!

I'd love to hear what evidence you have that makes you "know" that "most" dealers are unethical, dishonest liars and cheats. (BTW I am not now, and never have been, a coin dealer.)

 

wll i read that in the coin collectors survival manual.by scot a travers. I will quote from it.

pcgs founder david hall estimates that up to 50% of all raw coins sold at auction have been doctored(excluding old time collections).He further estimates that at last 10-20% of all coins submitted to
grading services are doctored in some way.


to me that says either the coin fairy's com down at night and start cleaning coin collections or dealers are doing it.

i oubt the guy that wrote this very popular book could have printd such a statement from david hall if he didint say it either.


this is where im basing my statement on

 

on page 95 under doctoring and grading,if anyone with the book cares to look.

 

Even if the claims are true that 50% or better are cleaned why do you choose to blame the dealers? I don't understand your recent dealer bashing here on the forum.
You have been spreading all sorts of tips on cleaning, yet you blame the dealers for doing this.
GDJMSP and Satootoko are quite correct as usual. MOST dealers have no desire to clean coins. Maybe the mom and pop dealers that have a few coins laying around. CLEANED coins only hurt the hobby. No reputable dealer is out to take advantage of anyone. The simple fact is that an educated consumer is the best consumer. That certainly includes the customer who can grade. Because it is this consumer that isn't wasting our time arguing over whether a coin should or should not be cleaned.
Fact 1. Cleaned coins lose value
Fact 2. Dealers don't like to lose money
For the book that you are quoting, can you find the passage that blames the dealers for cleaning coins?
Scott Travers is a very large dealer in this country and his books are great referrence tools. If you take the time to read what his views are on cleaning, you will find that they are the same as the ones listed here by the people here who know what is happening in the coin community. You may not these facts, or even care to believe them, but that won't change them from being facts.

 

David Hall may be right. I've seen WAY too many coins that depress me because they have been cleaned. While it can happen to any coin, for some reason, in my experience Seated Dollars seem to be the worst. It's damn near impossible to find an original, authentic XF/AU Seated Dollar.

Of the universe of cleaned coins, MAYBE 2% of them should have been cleaned. And most of *those* were probably not cleaned as carefully and professionally as they should have been. The overwhelming majority -- think 99% -- of coins that have been cleaned LOST VALUE AND DESIRABILITY because of it. The remaining 1% either resulted from professional opinion and/or VERY dumb luck.

 

ND i dont mean to blame dealers its just there the ones that these coins are passing through.I just made a ecomment that liot of people knocked me down for so i posted where i got my information from