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Message:: [QUOTE="bhp3rd, post: 832739, member: 16510"]Doug thanks for the questions and tone which is very repectful.  I think we all need to use respect as the key to talks in CoinTalk. The reason I said I only use them (Coin Care or others) on VF and lower is simply because in thoses grades they need it most often.  Coin above VF don't often have that built in grime and crud one sees on the lower highly circulated cents.98% percent of the time I'm reffering to copper only.Each coin is carefully looked at to be sure it's lower value (generally) and can greatly be improved.  Otherwise there is no value-ad.  If I cannot think it will look better and be nicer there is no reason to do anything in the first place.I got to tell you 80% do turn out very, very nice compared to what they were to begin with.  I love copper and want it to look good.  People come back over and over to get these coins because they cannot find them as nice anywhere else.  Most of that is not do to any conserving methods though it's because I pick nice ones to begin with and cull more than anyone in their right mind would.  This is what pleases customers most. Second point is:  I tell folks (if treated) because it's the truth - I never want anyone to buy a coin from me and not know that or how it got to look that good if treated.  In regards to the next person down the line that may get this coin.  I always feel if it's good enough that I would want it back if offered again that next person will be as pleased.  That plus we talking about under $5 coins in lower grades.I often tell customers if the coin they are thinking about buying from me looks good as it should or could.  Sometimes telling them I'll try to find a better one or that they can get a better one some place else, that they should pass on this (my) coin cause I don't really like it either. The gold conservation methods, Central Amer.Yes you and I know that but most do not or did not understand the difference and the grading concerns of those conserved coins.  It is still often hashed over but those methods while far more advanced than anything I know about are as sound as the day is long.  Those guys really are top notch and performed that task with perfection. I consider it conservation because my sole attempt is to improve a lower grade coin without much eye appeal to begin with, but with some left possibilities.  Copper is tough.  It's tough to find nice, keep nice and sell nice.  Dealers sell Lincoln's and Indians with cankers, rust, spots, proofs that are ruined, key dates that I wouldn't even want to look at.  Tattered 2x2's with crappy hand writting on them.  The major selling point is to obtain coins and/or offer them for sale that don't have those problems and look better than the rest.  On many, coins that can and have been improved. Of the oils composition I know little but what I see in real life and while not coins, a gem or a used knife blade or tool can and is kept perfect for years with coatings like these.I guess I would agree that these can be called "makeup" all though I prefere the term lubricant but many copper coins of low grades need some "makeup" to look as good as they can for the grade.It is the complete blotting of the coin not once or twice but several times that removes most all of this oil, very little stays behind. These methods or choices are made after learning a great deal and ruining many coins before hand.  It does not work each and everytime but remember the context of what we are speaking of : mostly copper, only low grade, copper with crud that can/might be removed and only on copper that can and is improved over-all.  Not all or any coins.[/QUOTE]

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