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<p>[QUOTE="desertgem, post: 653901, member: 15199"]<b>Results</b></p><p><br /></p><p><b>RESULTS</b></p><p><br /></p><p>Ok, here are the results of this coin. <b>Genuine, code of .91 questionable color.</b> They didn't say if the golden toning was felt too yellow or if the small patches of reddish toning was the question. The odd thing is that my records show when I purchased this in 1988, I wrote "light gold tone around right edge obv." Then I put into a Bank SD box, and a lot of things happened in my life over the next 15 yrs, and when I took it out last year to send in, it looked like this. But so is life. I will keep and maybe resubmit sometime.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/op-1937d-coin.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I have had excellent success of getting these raw at shows and dealers. If they are raw, either the person <b>DISLIKES</b> TPG so much they don'e send them off, ....or they are not sure themselves if it is genuine. Either way, if you know it is genuine, you can get a good deal.</p><p><br /></p><p>I showed the 2 most common diagnostics in the OP, the rough/pitted rear leg, and the line of dots ( stream of pee). But these are easier faked than a 3rd one. I will look at a coin and if the first 2 are missing, put it down immediately. If they are there, I take out my loupe and look at what I call the "hoof cap". To remove the leg, some use tooling to do so on a coin or a die ( if trying to strike the fake). See the phot below of 5 of my real 3 leggers including this coin. I circled the "hoof cap" on the orig. coin ( center), but you can see it on the others also ( some better, some less). If the top ( where the leg would connect is straight across it is a fake.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/horlegs.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>So far this diagnostic has allowed 8/8 picked correctly ( before the chinese~ I haven't seen one of those yet).</p><p><br /></p><p><b>GRADING: </b>Since no grade was assigned by PCGS, we can use comparisons of the same 5 as above. Now I do not feel I can accurately grade any buffalo except 3 leggers. If you go by the old school " horn grade" , you will be way low, and may miss a good deal. Look at the photo below. The original coin is on left. Which of the TPG grades is it closer to? Actually I think on this series PCGS and ICG are close "market" wise in their grading. </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/horns-grade-hor.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I expect this coin would have come back as AU-55, or maybe even AU-58 if PCGS had not declined to issue a grade due to the "questionable color".</p><p><br /></p><p>CDN has XF $1100, AU @ $1200, MS-60 @ 2100. MS63@ $4500. Even with the code 91, I would feel it was well worth Granny's asking of $999.</p><p><br /></p><p>I realize some would consider it a "problem coin", but higher grades are scarce and hard to find.</p><p><br /></p><p>Welcome comments. </p><p><br /></p><p>Jim[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="desertgem, post: 653901, member: 15199"][b]Results[/b] [B]RESULTS[/B] Ok, here are the results of this coin. [B]Genuine, code of .91 questionable color.[/B] They didn't say if the golden toning was felt too yellow or if the small patches of reddish toning was the question. The odd thing is that my records show when I purchased this in 1988, I wrote "light gold tone around right edge obv." Then I put into a Bank SD box, and a lot of things happened in my life over the next 15 yrs, and when I took it out last year to send in, it looked like this. But so is life. I will keep and maybe resubmit sometime. [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/op-1937d-coin.jpg[/IMG] I have had excellent success of getting these raw at shows and dealers. If they are raw, either the person [B]DISLIKES[/B] TPG so much they don'e send them off, ....or they are not sure themselves if it is genuine. Either way, if you know it is genuine, you can get a good deal. I showed the 2 most common diagnostics in the OP, the rough/pitted rear leg, and the line of dots ( stream of pee). But these are easier faked than a 3rd one. I will look at a coin and if the first 2 are missing, put it down immediately. If they are there, I take out my loupe and look at what I call the "hoof cap". To remove the leg, some use tooling to do so on a coin or a die ( if trying to strike the fake). See the phot below of 5 of my real 3 leggers including this coin. I circled the "hoof cap" on the orig. coin ( center), but you can see it on the others also ( some better, some less). If the top ( where the leg would connect is straight across it is a fake. [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/horlegs.jpg[/IMG] So far this diagnostic has allowed 8/8 picked correctly ( before the chinese~ I haven't seen one of those yet). [B]GRADING: [/B]Since no grade was assigned by PCGS, we can use comparisons of the same 5 as above. Now I do not feel I can accurately grade any buffalo except 3 leggers. If you go by the old school " horn grade" , you will be way low, and may miss a good deal. Look at the photo below. The original coin is on left. Which of the TPG grades is it closer to? Actually I think on this series PCGS and ICG are close "market" wise in their grading. [IMG]http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq279/desertgem/horns-grade-hor.jpg[/IMG] I expect this coin would have come back as AU-55, or maybe even AU-58 if PCGS had not declined to issue a grade due to the "questionable color". CDN has XF $1100, AU @ $1200, MS-60 @ 2100. MS63@ $4500. Even with the code 91, I would feel it was well worth Granny's asking of $999. I realize some would consider it a "problem coin", but higher grades are scarce and hard to find. Welcome comments. Jim[/QUOTE]
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