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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2748530, member: 56859"]Here are the Dattari-Savio plate coins from my half of the lot.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]629012[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius</b></p><p>AE drachm, regnal year 18 (CE 154/5)</p><p>Obv: laureate bust right</p><p>Rev: Serapis enthroned left; Cerberus at feet</p><p>Ref: Dattari-Savio supplement, plate 18 #123 (this coin); Emmett 1663.18, R1</p><p><i>Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]629015[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/api-3-tycheintemple-jpg.626368/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius</b></p><p>AE drachm, regnal year 5 (CE 141/2)</p><p>Obv: laureate bust right</p><p>Rev: Tyche standing left in distyle temple, holding cornucopia and rudder; L-E</p><p>Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 161 #8509 (this coin); Emmett 1688.5, R5</p><p><i>Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)</i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]629016[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/api-4-zeusammon-reshoot_edited-2-jpg.627679/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius</b></p><p>AE drachm, uncertain regnal year</p><p>Obv: laureate bust right</p><p>Rev: Bust of Zeus Ammon right; L I (see discussion below)</p><p>Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 153 #8807 (this coin); Emmett 1700.10, R5 (but I'm skeptical of this date)</p><p><i>Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p>Notes on regnal year for this coin: The flip insert says L-IZ in pen; in pencil, "I doubt it" <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. Per Emmett, the coin was issued in years 2, 5, 8, 9, 10, 17, 18, 19 (maybe), 20, and 21. I think this coin is year 10 or higher because it looks like there is an I above the L... or is that just a bleb? If bleb, there is also an I-ish looking bleb in the right field. Both positions are known. I checked Dattari-Savio for clues. That book merely pages after pages of plates-- written entries. In addition to showing coins listed in the 1901 Dattari catalog, there are many more new coins with new higher numbers. The coin types are arranged by regnal year. There are 18 Antoninus Pius/Zeus Ammon drachms in D-S, with duplicates of some years. This coin's position is immediately after a year 9 coin and immediately before what looks like a year 10, so apparently Dattari thought it was a year 9 or 10. Are there two letters in the right field (I and something else)? Is there an I above the L and a third letter in right field?</p><p><br /></p><p>The only way to know for sure would be to find a reverse die match in better condition.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]629021[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The next two are not from Alexandria but from the Heliopolite nome. Z and I found only <a href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=114956" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=114956" rel="nofollow">one example in sales archives</a> (a <i>much</i> nicer example than any of the Dattari Heliopolites; the cataloger said "Extremely rare and the first to appear at auction in recent memory.". D-S shows five of them and now Z and I have three of those. The CNG example is miles better than ours. The corrosion isn't powdery but if it is covered in lacquer or wax, that might be misleading. I'll probably strip these and treat.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/api-65-heliopolite2-jpg.627978/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>EGYPT, Heliopolite nome. Antoninus Pius</b></p><p>AE drachm, regnal year 8 (CE 144/5)</p><p>Obv: laureate bust right</p><p>Rev: HΛIOΠOΛEIT; Helios in radiate crown standing left, wearing chiton and himation, holding Mnevis bull in right hand and sceptre in left</p><p>Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 299 #10935 (this coin); Emmett 1820.8, R4</p><p><i>Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)</i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]629027[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]629023[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>EGYPT, Heliopolite nome. Antoninus Pius</b></p><p>AE drachm, regnal year 8 (CE 144/5)</p><p>Obv: laureate bust right</p><p>Rev: HΛIOΠOΛEIT; Helios in radiate crown standing left, wearing chiton and himation, holding Mnevis bull in right hand and sceptre in left</p><p>Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 299 #10938 (this coin); Emmett 1820.8, R4</p><p><i>Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)</i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]629028[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Nome coinage of Roman Egypt is fascinating and would make a great specialty area... if you have a lot of patience and don't mind generally poor condition coins. Here's Emmett's introductory paragraph about nome coinage:</p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Times New Roman">In addition to the regular bronze coins struck at Alexandria, there was a series of nome coins issued which differ from the regular issues by having the names of the nomes written in Greek on their reverses. These coins depict the local cult-worship of each nome. When the Greeks conquered Egypt, they renamed many of the old nome capitals by substituting the name of the nearest equivalent Greek god for the Egyptian god that was worshipped in each capital. As a result, before the Roman occupation, the Egyptian gods had been assimilated into a Greek form. Horus and Isis are the god and goddess most often represented in their various forms on the reverses of the nome coins. The figure of Horus in his form of a hawk, as well as his less well known forms of a lion and a crocodile, is frequently held in hand by various gods and goddesses.</font></p><p><br /></p><p>Map of the nomes (districts). The Heliopolite nome (13 on the map) is in lower Egypt. Today it is the Ain Shams suburb of Cairo.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]629029[/ATTACH]</p><p>(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopolite_Nome#/media/File:Lower_Egypt_Nomes_01.png" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopolite_Nome#/media/File:Lower_Egypt_Nomes_01.png" rel="nofollow">image from Wikipedia</a>)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2748530, member: 56859"]Here are the Dattari-Savio plate coins from my half of the lot. [ATTACH=full]629012[/ATTACH] [B]EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius[/B] AE drachm, regnal year 18 (CE 154/5) Obv: laureate bust right Rev: Serapis enthroned left; Cerberus at feet Ref: Dattari-Savio supplement, plate 18 #123 (this coin); Emmett 1663.18, R1 [I]Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)[/I] [ATTACH=full]629015[/ATTACH] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/api-3-tycheintemple-jpg.626368/[/IMG] [B]EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius[/B] AE drachm, regnal year 5 (CE 141/2) Obv: laureate bust right Rev: Tyche standing left in distyle temple, holding cornucopia and rudder; L-E Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 161 #8509 (this coin); Emmett 1688.5, R5 [I]Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)[/I] [ATTACH=full]629016[/ATTACH] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/api-4-zeusammon-reshoot_edited-2-jpg.627679/[/IMG] [B]EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius[/B] AE drachm, uncertain regnal year Obv: laureate bust right Rev: Bust of Zeus Ammon right; L I (see discussion below) Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 153 #8807 (this coin); Emmett 1700.10, R5 (but I'm skeptical of this date) [I]Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923) [/I] Notes on regnal year for this coin: The flip insert says L-IZ in pen; in pencil, "I doubt it" :D. Per Emmett, the coin was issued in years 2, 5, 8, 9, 10, 17, 18, 19 (maybe), 20, and 21. I think this coin is year 10 or higher because it looks like there is an I above the L... or is that just a bleb? If bleb, there is also an I-ish looking bleb in the right field. Both positions are known. I checked Dattari-Savio for clues. That book merely pages after pages of plates-- written entries. In addition to showing coins listed in the 1901 Dattari catalog, there are many more new coins with new higher numbers. The coin types are arranged by regnal year. There are 18 Antoninus Pius/Zeus Ammon drachms in D-S, with duplicates of some years. This coin's position is immediately after a year 9 coin and immediately before what looks like a year 10, so apparently Dattari thought it was a year 9 or 10. Are there two letters in the right field (I and something else)? Is there an I above the L and a third letter in right field? The only way to know for sure would be to find a reverse die match in better condition. [ATTACH=full]629021[/ATTACH] The next two are not from Alexandria but from the Heliopolite nome. Z and I found only [URL='https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=114956']one example in sales archives[/URL] (a [I]much[/I] nicer example than any of the Dattari Heliopolites; the cataloger said "Extremely rare and the first to appear at auction in recent memory.". D-S shows five of them and now Z and I have three of those. The CNG example is miles better than ours. The corrosion isn't powdery but if it is covered in lacquer or wax, that might be misleading. I'll probably strip these and treat. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/api-65-heliopolite2-jpg.627978/[/IMG] [B]EGYPT, Heliopolite nome. Antoninus Pius[/B] AE drachm, regnal year 8 (CE 144/5) Obv: laureate bust right Rev: HΛIOΠOΛEIT; Helios in radiate crown standing left, wearing chiton and himation, holding Mnevis bull in right hand and sceptre in left Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 299 #10935 (this coin); Emmett 1820.8, R4 [I]Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)[/I] [ATTACH=full]629027[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]629023[/ATTACH] [B]EGYPT, Heliopolite nome. Antoninus Pius[/B] AE drachm, regnal year 8 (CE 144/5) Obv: laureate bust right Rev: HΛIOΠOΛEIT; Helios in radiate crown standing left, wearing chiton and himation, holding Mnevis bull in right hand and sceptre in left Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 299 #10938 (this coin); Emmett 1820.8, R4 [I]Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago; Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)[/I] [ATTACH=full]629028[/ATTACH] Nome coinage of Roman Egypt is fascinating and would make a great specialty area... if you have a lot of patience and don't mind generally poor condition coins. Here's Emmett's introductory paragraph about nome coinage: [FONT=Times New Roman]In addition to the regular bronze coins struck at Alexandria, there was a series of nome coins issued which differ from the regular issues by having the names of the nomes written in Greek on their reverses. These coins depict the local cult-worship of each nome. When the Greeks conquered Egypt, they renamed many of the old nome capitals by substituting the name of the nearest equivalent Greek god for the Egyptian god that was worshipped in each capital. As a result, before the Roman occupation, the Egyptian gods had been assimilated into a Greek form. Horus and Isis are the god and goddess most often represented in their various forms on the reverses of the nome coins. The figure of Horus in his form of a hawk, as well as his less well known forms of a lion and a crocodile, is frequently held in hand by various gods and goddesses.[/FONT] Map of the nomes (districts). The Heliopolite nome (13 on the map) is in lower Egypt. Today it is the Ain Shams suburb of Cairo. [ATTACH=full]629029[/ATTACH] ([URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopolite_Nome#/media/File:Lower_Egypt_Nomes_01.png']image from Wikipedia[/URL])[/QUOTE]
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