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<p>[QUOTE="Carthago, post: 4501204, member: 76111"]I participated in the CNG auction and was absolutely aghast at what they were doing to the pre-bidders by encouraging live bidders to clear their pre-bid. I say this as a consigner in CNG 114 as well as a live bidder. I suspect it's fully legal, but it certainly comes off sleazy and I can't recall it happening in other auctions I've attended. It was clearly a systematic practice and not just an eager auctioneer oversight. </p><p><br /></p><p>My observations:</p><p><br /></p><p>1. This practice completely undermines the pre-bid system. I can tell you as a bidder, I would expect my pre-bid to speak for me in my absence at a live auction and not be used to as shill bid to push up the live bidder. </p><p><br /></p><p>2. Almost every time CNG told someone to clear the book, it won the lot with that single bid. That just doesn't sit right to me for what is supposed to be a public competitive auction. It just sort of smells bad. </p><p><br /></p><p>3. This practice may seem advantageous to consigners, but that view is very short sighted. Having multiple bid avenues is good for all parties, but if the pre-bid avenue is only used as a tool to increase live bids, pre-bidders will quit bidding. I know I have. This will reduce overall auction participation (see next point).</p><p><br /></p><p>4. CNG's new bidding platform bites. The audio doesn't run on Safari which is the native internet browser on Apple products (common folks, it's 2020!). I had to have a Chrome window running in the background to listen to the auctioneer - especially for when they were compromising the integrity of pre-bids - and then do my bidding on Safari. And don't get me started on the stupid double confirm bid process when you do bid live! The Apple App store app is unstable on my iPad and iPhone because it crashes or becomes unresponsive. The upside to the mobile app is that it does do audio, but it's useless to use for bidding for Apple device owners in my experience so....</p><p><br /></p><p>5. If bidding live is hobbled by flashy but unreliable technology and the pre-bid system is compromised by short sighted live auction opportunism, CNG will be limiting potential bidders. If bidders don't show up, consigners (like yours truly) will quit consigning and go with another dealer. Not everyone wants to or can bid live. That's why there is supposed to be an honorable pre-bidding system!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I would encourage them to stop it. It's sleazy and unbecoming of a brand that has historically stood as one of the finest ancient coins dealers in the business. It takes decades to build a quality brand, but it can be ruined in a flash.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Carthago, post: 4501204, member: 76111"]I participated in the CNG auction and was absolutely aghast at what they were doing to the pre-bidders by encouraging live bidders to clear their pre-bid. I say this as a consigner in CNG 114 as well as a live bidder. I suspect it's fully legal, but it certainly comes off sleazy and I can't recall it happening in other auctions I've attended. It was clearly a systematic practice and not just an eager auctioneer oversight. My observations: 1. This practice completely undermines the pre-bid system. I can tell you as a bidder, I would expect my pre-bid to speak for me in my absence at a live auction and not be used to as shill bid to push up the live bidder. 2. Almost every time CNG told someone to clear the book, it won the lot with that single bid. That just doesn't sit right to me for what is supposed to be a public competitive auction. It just sort of smells bad. 3. This practice may seem advantageous to consigners, but that view is very short sighted. Having multiple bid avenues is good for all parties, but if the pre-bid avenue is only used as a tool to increase live bids, pre-bidders will quit bidding. I know I have. This will reduce overall auction participation (see next point). 4. CNG's new bidding platform bites. The audio doesn't run on Safari which is the native internet browser on Apple products (common folks, it's 2020!). I had to have a Chrome window running in the background to listen to the auctioneer - especially for when they were compromising the integrity of pre-bids - and then do my bidding on Safari. And don't get me started on the stupid double confirm bid process when you do bid live! The Apple App store app is unstable on my iPad and iPhone because it crashes or becomes unresponsive. The upside to the mobile app is that it does do audio, but it's useless to use for bidding for Apple device owners in my experience so.... 5. If bidding live is hobbled by flashy but unreliable technology and the pre-bid system is compromised by short sighted live auction opportunism, CNG will be limiting potential bidders. If bidders don't show up, consigners (like yours truly) will quit consigning and go with another dealer. Not everyone wants to or can bid live. That's why there is supposed to be an honorable pre-bidding system! I would encourage them to stop it. It's sleazy and unbecoming of a brand that has historically stood as one of the finest ancient coins dealers in the business. It takes decades to build a quality brand, but it can be ruined in a flash.[/QUOTE]
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