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Message:: [QUOTE="Andrew McCabe, post: 3708006, member: 90666"]As a separate post, as it is a totally separate issue, I've never bid on a coin of mine, nor asked anyone else to do so with purpose of raising price (I do point out coins which friends might want to consider for their collections) and I am not aware of any major auction company that allows this. Auction houses will purchase for themselves, at auction, coins consigned by others of course. But thats not bidding on their own coins, its bidding on other peoples coins. Also, when an auctioneer seems to buy coins from their table, its probably just them executing bids for clients. Much of this thread seems to be conjectures, fluff with no concrete claims suggesting that coin owners are bidding on their own coins with the agreement of the auctioneers. Of course am sure it happens without permission of the auctioneers. But I am just not aware of any case where it is explicitly allowed. Reserves, as said before are a different matter as two independent bidders still need to bid to reach the reserve. I agree with Barry. Zero evidence of any shill activity in the example OP calls "mr shill revealed". Nothing is revealed except perfectly ordinary bidding activity. Reduce the numbers by a factor of ten and it might have been me bidding $2189 on a coin estimated at $1500 and winning at that number over someone who bid $2100. Nothing is revealed.[/QUOTE]