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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2519071, member: 19463"]It is not the consignor/owner but the auction house rule I believe needs to be made clear. If a house starts lots at 60%, the start bid on a lot estimated at $10,000 would be $6000 and the coin should be required to sell if anyone bids that amount. If $6000 is not enough, the estimate could have been stated as $20,000 so the first bid would be $12,000 and potential bidders who believe the coin is not worth that much should bid on other coins. I don't think people could be stopped from bidding on their own lots but doing so would run the risk of buying the lot and being required to pay commissions including buyers' fees. Starting bids are kept low in the hope of attracting more bidders two of which will get into a shoving match but it would seem it should also carry a risk of selling the coin at start level. If only one person believes a coin is worth the start bid, the coin should sell for start. If a consignor is allowed to bid up his own lot and withdraw his last bid when he finds the top of the true bidder's interest, it is not a sale but extortion. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Exactly. Sellers and bidders have rights. Sellers have the right to state openly that they prefer to keep their coin than to sell it. Buyers have the right to buy at a level set by the competition not by the pie in the sky dreams of an investor who paid too much for a coin last time around.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2519071, member: 19463"]It is not the consignor/owner but the auction house rule I believe needs to be made clear. If a house starts lots at 60%, the start bid on a lot estimated at $10,000 would be $6000 and the coin should be required to sell if anyone bids that amount. If $6000 is not enough, the estimate could have been stated as $20,000 so the first bid would be $12,000 and potential bidders who believe the coin is not worth that much should bid on other coins. I don't think people could be stopped from bidding on their own lots but doing so would run the risk of buying the lot and being required to pay commissions including buyers' fees. Starting bids are kept low in the hope of attracting more bidders two of which will get into a shoving match but it would seem it should also carry a risk of selling the coin at start level. If only one person believes a coin is worth the start bid, the coin should sell for start. If a consignor is allowed to bid up his own lot and withdraw his last bid when he finds the top of the true bidder's interest, it is not a sale but extortion. Exactly. Sellers and bidders have rights. Sellers have the right to state openly that they prefer to keep their coin than to sell it. Buyers have the right to buy at a level set by the competition not by the pie in the sky dreams of an investor who paid too much for a coin last time around.[/QUOTE]
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