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<p>[QUOTE="Ken Dorney, post: 2518984, member: 76086"]I dont know if your comments should be taken as jaded or just a bit too harsh. It is true there are rotten eggs out there. They are in every aspect of humanity, not just coin collecting. But it is also true that many people take a loss on coins, dealers and collectors alike. Sometimes it is like playing the lottery or otherwise gambling. One hopes they can get more than they paid but ultimately sell for much less. As a longtime dealer I have done so many times. If I pay CNG say $500 for a coin and it sits in my inventory for 8 years with no interest at any price, I have to decide if I want it for myself or am I better off selling for $50 and putting it into something else I hope will turn a profit?</p><p><br /></p><p>As a dealer I look at a LOT of coins. And I do a LOT of research. I have seen many coins bought up in auction only to be immediately slabbed and turned onto Ebay, coin shows, etc. In many cases the coins sold for a high price and I snapped them up for bargains later as the re-sale venue was not right for the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>But it does come down to trust. Who does one trust in the business? That is for each person to decide but I have been in business a long time and in my experience the bad eggs always drop out eventually. Bad business practices will not keep one in business for long. In most cases some stick around for as much as 10 years but they eventually fail.</p><p><br /></p><p>My point about hammer prices though is that there are some situations in which the coin never transfers to a new owner. Most often is a reserve. Many auction houses dont allow reserves outright but allow the owner to bid on their own coin. Is that shill bidding? I dont know. Maybe. But nevertheless it is bad business for auction houses to show a lot of unsold coins. One may notice that many European houses commonly sell less than 20% of their auction, the rest offered up later as a buy now scenario. That does them no good, as they obviously started the prices too high.</p><p><br /></p><p>In the case of John's tetradrachm, who knows why it went through several sales. Maybe it was not paid for, maybe invested in by the buyer, buyer regret, need for cash, the reasons are many fold.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, didnt want to lecture. Just some perspectives from me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ken Dorney, post: 2518984, member: 76086"]I dont know if your comments should be taken as jaded or just a bit too harsh. It is true there are rotten eggs out there. They are in every aspect of humanity, not just coin collecting. But it is also true that many people take a loss on coins, dealers and collectors alike. Sometimes it is like playing the lottery or otherwise gambling. One hopes they can get more than they paid but ultimately sell for much less. As a longtime dealer I have done so many times. If I pay CNG say $500 for a coin and it sits in my inventory for 8 years with no interest at any price, I have to decide if I want it for myself or am I better off selling for $50 and putting it into something else I hope will turn a profit? As a dealer I look at a LOT of coins. And I do a LOT of research. I have seen many coins bought up in auction only to be immediately slabbed and turned onto Ebay, coin shows, etc. In many cases the coins sold for a high price and I snapped them up for bargains later as the re-sale venue was not right for the coin. But it does come down to trust. Who does one trust in the business? That is for each person to decide but I have been in business a long time and in my experience the bad eggs always drop out eventually. Bad business practices will not keep one in business for long. In most cases some stick around for as much as 10 years but they eventually fail. My point about hammer prices though is that there are some situations in which the coin never transfers to a new owner. Most often is a reserve. Many auction houses dont allow reserves outright but allow the owner to bid on their own coin. Is that shill bidding? I dont know. Maybe. But nevertheless it is bad business for auction houses to show a lot of unsold coins. One may notice that many European houses commonly sell less than 20% of their auction, the rest offered up later as a buy now scenario. That does them no good, as they obviously started the prices too high. In the case of John's tetradrachm, who knows why it went through several sales. Maybe it was not paid for, maybe invested in by the buyer, buyer regret, need for cash, the reasons are many fold. Anyway, didnt want to lecture. Just some perspectives from me.[/QUOTE]
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