Clipped or fake

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Basset hound, May 22, 2018.

  1. Basset hound

    Basset hound Member

    Hello

    Is this a real clipped coin?
    It look to clean of a cut.
     

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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll go with real.
     
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  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    The appearance of the side edge of the clip will confirm this.
     
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  5. Basset hound

    Basset hound Member

    Insider
    when you said side edge are you talk about the cut by America.
     
  6. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    OP
    Look up the term- Blakesley effect.
    I believe this will help you make an educated decision, you will also become more knowledgeable about similiar such coins in the future
     
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  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Problem with the Blakesley effect is it is not always present on genuine clips, and I have seen it faked by applying pressure to weaken the rims opposite fake clips. It is a nice clue to help identify genuine clips but it is not diagnostic.
     
  8. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Take a pic of the clipped edge. You should be able to tell if it was punched or ground down by the surface appearance. Based on the other damage, I'm leaning towards PMD. A clear pic will help a lot
     
  9. APX78

    APX78 Well-Known Member

    Could be real, looks impressive.
     
  10. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    There is a minor Blakesley effect manifesting itself as broad rims on both sides, opposite the clip. Without seeing the edge, the one thing that bugs me is the appearance of the rim on the obverse at the left end of the clip. It's diverted inward, which you'd see on fake clip if it weren't cut neatly there. You wouldn't see this on a genuine coin that's not been circulated. Since it has been banged around a bit, however, that end of the clip could have been banged slightly out of shape, resulting in what I see with the rim. The reverse rim fades into the clip as I would expect on a real coin.

    I'm favoring real over fake by a little bit right now.
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    no Blakesley effect
     
  12. *coins

    *coins Well-Known Member

    I was just bidding on that coin on eBay. I believe it is a real clip.
     
  13. enamel7

    enamel7 Junior Member

    I see the Blakesley effect. I go with real.
     
  14. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I can't say for certain but here are the reasons I believe it's not an authentic clip.

    * Blakesley effect - I see what may be some minor weakness on the opposite edge but looking at the reverse pic, the rim appears to be flattened and slightly out of round. Almost like something was squeezing it.
    * Minor rim dings in the Blakesley area also look like they could be the result of something clamping or gripping it and not normal circulation marks. Particularly the reverse
    * Appears to be some displaced metal sticking up along the edge of the clip. Wouldn't any displaced metal left over from the clip be flattened during the strike?
    * The damage under the A on the reverse is definitely Post Strike and looks like it could be caused by a grinder.


    I don't think any of these points by themselves would be conclusive but adding them all together makes me very hesitant about buying this based on the posted pics. Short of pics of the clipped edge, however, it's still speculation.
     
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