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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 5196752, member: 99456"][ATTACH=full]1214860[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="2"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_XIII_Theos_Philopator#/media/File:Cleopatra_VII,_dalla_via_appia_tra_ariccia_e_genzano,_40-30_ac_ca._02.JPG" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_XIII_Theos_Philopator#/media/File:Cleopatra_VII,_dalla_via_appia_tra_ariccia_e_genzano,_40-30_ac_ca._02.JPG" rel="nofollow">Cleopatra VII, Altes Museum, Antikensammlung Berlin, Public Domain image via Wikipedia</a></font></p><p><br /></p><p>The mailman brought an interesting tetradrachm and I am hoping that I can confirm the identity of the ruler who issued this coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's the coin & one possibility: a coin of the last Pharaoh of Egypt the 17-year old Ptolemy Caesar or Ptolemy XV.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1214514[/ATTACH]</p><p>Ptolemaic Kings of Egypt, joint rule of <b>Cleopatra VII and Ptolemy XV </b>(aka Caesarion), 37-30 BC, AR Tetradrachm, Alexandria mint, Dated regnal year 1 (37/6 BC)</p><p><b>Obv:</b> Diademed head of Ptolemy I right, wearing aegis</p><p><b>Rev:</b> BAΣIΛEΩΣ ΠTOΛEMAIOY around, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, palm over shoulder; <b>star (?)</b>, LA and headdress of Isis before, ΠA behind</p><p><b>Ref:</b> Svoronos 1816</p><p><br /></p><p>Caesarion, son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra VII, ruled jointly with his mother until her death in 30 BC. His sole rule lasted only 11 days, as 17-year-old Caesarion was betrayed by his guardians/tutors to Octavian. Octavian had him executed in Alexandria following the advice of stoic philosopher Arius Didymus, who said "Too many Caesars is not good". For an interesting article on <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/43297487" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/43297487" rel="nofollow">Caesarion</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is a good story - and if this were the case it would be a very rare coin, but there is problem - note in my description above "<b>star (?)</b>" - the corrosion on the reverse comes right at the point where it is a bit ambiguous - is there a star there? also is that an LA or a LΛ - the crossbar on the A is not very convincing, maybe......</p><p><br /></p><p>A second (and, in my view, the correct attribution) - Ptolemy XII father of Cleopatra VII and grandfather to Ptolemy XV Caesarion. However, there is a Cleopatra VII twist as Ptolemy XII named Cleopatra (about 17 or 18 years old) as co-regent in 52 BC (this coin from RY 30 or 52/51 BC), and then died in March, 51 BC, and Cleopatra would have reigned the remaining 5 months of RY 30 as sole ruler. More on the chronology <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/44080264" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/44080264" rel="nofollow">in this article</a>.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1214514[/ATTACH] Ptolemaic Kings of Egypt, <b><b>Cleopatra VII and </b>Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos Auletes ("Flute Player")</b>, 80-51 BC, AR Tetradrachm, dated regnal year 30 (52/1 BC)</p><p><b>Obv:</b> Diademed head right, wearing aegis</p><p><b>Rev: </b>ΠTOΛEMAIOY BAΣIΛEΩΣ, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, palm over shoulder; LΛ above crown of Isis before;<b> ΠA behind</b></p><p><b>Rev:</b> Svoronos <a href="https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc001p262t.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc001p262t.html" rel="nofollow">1840</a>; Plate <a href="https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc061p002p.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc061p002p.html" rel="nofollow">LXI.25</a></p><p><b>Notes:</b> <a href="https://www.sullacoins.com/post/cleopatra-queen-of-egypt" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.sullacoins.com/post/cleopatra-queen-of-egypt" rel="nofollow">more on this coin with additional references</a></p><p><br /></p><p>So although I don't think I have a coin of Caesarion, I do think that I have a coin of Cleopatra's first year of reign as ruler of Egypt. On another note: what about that ΠΑ behind? well, oddly the mint signature for these coins of Alexandria is ΠΑ for ΠΑΦΟΣ i.e. Paphos,Cyprus. What do we make of that - not sure, this is another topic where I hope to learn more from others.</p><p><br /></p><p>Corrections and additions to any of the above are much appreciated. <b>Post your coins of Egypt, Ptolemaic coins and anything else that you might find interesting or entertaining.</b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 5196752, member: 99456"][ATTACH=full]1214860[/ATTACH] [SIZE=2][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_XIII_Theos_Philopator#/media/File:Cleopatra_VII,_dalla_via_appia_tra_ariccia_e_genzano,_40-30_ac_ca._02.JPG']Cleopatra VII, Altes Museum, Antikensammlung Berlin, Public Domain image via Wikipedia[/URL][/SIZE] The mailman brought an interesting tetradrachm and I am hoping that I can confirm the identity of the ruler who issued this coin. Here's the coin & one possibility: a coin of the last Pharaoh of Egypt the 17-year old Ptolemy Caesar or Ptolemy XV. [ATTACH=full]1214514[/ATTACH] Ptolemaic Kings of Egypt, joint rule of [B]Cleopatra VII and Ptolemy XV [/B](aka Caesarion), 37-30 BC, AR Tetradrachm, Alexandria mint, Dated regnal year 1 (37/6 BC) [B]Obv:[/B] Diademed head of Ptolemy I right, wearing aegis [B]Rev:[/B] BAΣIΛEΩΣ ΠTOΛEMAIOY around, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, palm over shoulder; [B]star (?)[/B], LA and headdress of Isis before, ΠA behind [B]Ref:[/B] Svoronos 1816 Caesarion, son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra VII, ruled jointly with his mother until her death in 30 BC. His sole rule lasted only 11 days, as 17-year-old Caesarion was betrayed by his guardians/tutors to Octavian. Octavian had him executed in Alexandria following the advice of stoic philosopher Arius Didymus, who said "Too many Caesars is not good". For an interesting article on [URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/43297487']Caesarion[/URL]. It is a good story - and if this were the case it would be a very rare coin, but there is problem - note in my description above "[B]star (?)[/B]" - the corrosion on the reverse comes right at the point where it is a bit ambiguous - is there a star there? also is that an LA or a LΛ - the crossbar on the A is not very convincing, maybe...... A second (and, in my view, the correct attribution) - Ptolemy XII father of Cleopatra VII and grandfather to Ptolemy XV Caesarion. However, there is a Cleopatra VII twist as Ptolemy XII named Cleopatra (about 17 or 18 years old) as co-regent in 52 BC (this coin from RY 30 or 52/51 BC), and then died in March, 51 BC, and Cleopatra would have reigned the remaining 5 months of RY 30 as sole ruler. More on the chronology [URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/44080264']in this article[/URL]. [ATTACH=full]1214514[/ATTACH] Ptolemaic Kings of Egypt, [B][B]Cleopatra VII and [/B]Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos Auletes ("Flute Player")[/B], 80-51 BC, AR Tetradrachm, dated regnal year 30 (52/1 BC) [B]Obv:[/B] Diademed head right, wearing aegis [B]Rev: [/B]ΠTOΛEMAIOY BAΣIΛEΩΣ, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, palm over shoulder; LΛ above crown of Isis before;[B] ΠA behind Rev:[/B] Svoronos [URL='https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc001p262t.html']1840[/URL]; Plate [URL='https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc061p002p.html']LXI.25[/URL] [B]Notes:[/B] [URL='https://www.sullacoins.com/post/cleopatra-queen-of-egypt']more on this coin with additional references[/URL] So although I don't think I have a coin of Caesarion, I do think that I have a coin of Cleopatra's first year of reign as ruler of Egypt. On another note: what about that ΠΑ behind? well, oddly the mint signature for these coins of Alexandria is ΠΑ for ΠΑΦΟΣ i.e. Paphos,Cyprus. What do we make of that - not sure, this is another topic where I hope to learn more from others. Corrections and additions to any of the above are much appreciated. [B]Post your coins of Egypt, Ptolemaic coins and anything else that you might find interesting or entertaining.[/B][/QUOTE]
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