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Message:: [QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 443513, member: 15309"]OK.  Let me rephrase.  Just because YOU can't see the difference, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  The graders at NGC and PCGS can see the difference and assign the grade based on their evaluation of the coin.  All this thread proves is that nobody on this board is qualified to be a professional grader (Doug excluded) because they can't differentiate between and MS69 and MS70. To further illustrate my point.  Take a look at this photo and look at the E in the word Architect.  That mark is the difference between MS69 and MS70.  How many of us missed it?  PCGS didn't.  If the coin didn't have that mark, why would you claim that it shouldn't be worth more money.  In this instance it appears there is an actual difference between MS69 & MS70.  With regards to proof coins, you can't evaluate the surfaces from a photo, it is impossible.  But I am sure there is a difference between the PF69 & PF70's as well. <img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Commemoratives/Jefferson1993-PPCGSMS69Defect.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> :headbang:[/QUOTE]