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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2555583, member: 24314&quot;]<span style="color: #0000b3">Someone posted this: &quot;</span>Pish, you have no need or requirement to tell anyone the coin was cleaned.&nbsp; Every coin posted here and every coin sold at any auction has been cleaned.&nbsp; The sellers know it, the auction knows it.&quot; <span style="color: #0000b3">I agree. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p>&quot;If a coin had been restored, ie tooled or had holes filled or <span style="color: #b30000">was plated</span>, then it should be disclosed,&quot;&nbsp; <span style="color: #000066">I agree. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> &quot;...</span>but yours has clearly had none of these things done, so you have no duty to tell anyone. IMO&quot; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; <span style="color: #000066">Only the restorer knows.&nbsp; Since he claims no alterations were made (</span><span style="color: #b30000">true or not</span><span style="color: #000066">) you are &quot;off-the-hook&quot; and the coin will sell as is in its present condition.&nbsp; No one will be the wiser.&nbsp; If I had the talent to &quot;fix&quot; coins such as yours, I <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> should have a garage full of Porsche&#039;s and Ferrari&#039;s. Many collectors of US coins use the services of another well known &quot;restorer&quot; to improve the appearance of their coins.&nbsp; As I posted before, the results on your piece are &quot;genius.&quot; </span></p><p><br /></p><p>Marc Aceton wrote: &quot;I like the ongoing thread very much. <span style="color: #000066">Me too.</span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> The example impressively demonstrates that especially under thick deposits, the metal can be perfectly conserved<span style="color: #b30000"> (actually not perfectly as in &quot;original&quot;)</span>. The metal salts were growing &quot;outside&quot; the coin and have been eventually sealing it instead of penetrating the metal, what could be regarded as corrosion. <span style="color: #0000b3">What I am </span><span style="color: #b30000">tending</span><span style="color: #0000b3"> to believe IN SOME CASES </span><span style="color: #b30000">as a result of this thread </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">and input from [USER=33176]@Kentucky[/USER], it </span><span style="color: #b30000">MAY</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"> be possible to have corrosion deposits on the surface of </span><span style="color: #b30000">ANCIENT</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"> silvered coins that do not harm the silver wash of the underlying surface.&nbsp; I can state with 100% certainty that this is not the case for high grade silver coins on which the surface is </span><span style="color: #b30000">ALWAYS</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"> harmed to some degree. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">The undeniable fact is that the surface of Pish&#039;s coin </span><span style="color: #b30000">HAS BEEN AFFECTED </span><span style="color: #0000b3">as it shows areas where the formerly present corrosion products have &quot;eaten&quot; its surface.&nbsp; </span><span style="color: #b30000">FACT: There is NO WAY ON EARTH that that a corrosion crater into the surface of a coin can have the same &quot;original&quot; silver color or surface as an unaffected area. </span>&quot;Frequently, it <u>can</u> happen that under these thick deposits, perfectly smooth surfaces become apparent after chemical cleaning whereas the surface in the areas, that were covered only flimsily, becomes rough.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">NOTE:&nbsp; My original post questioned the fact that a piece with that amount of corrosion products could be &quot;fixed&quot; at all! </span><span style="color: #b30000">Obviously, it has been</span><span style="color: #0000b3">. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Next, I questioned how </span><span style="color: #b30000">what looked like</span><span style="color: #0000b3"> the completely corroded away design of the figure on the reverse was not affected without chemical (</span><span style="color: #00b300">OK</span><span style="color: #0000b3">) and </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">mechanical (</span><span style="color: #b300b3">NOT OK if the design was &quot;improved&quot;</span><span style="color: #0000b3">) action. Now, we all know that &quot;improving&quot; the surface and design of our ancient coins is now and has been practiced forever.&nbsp; So much so that the coins are &quot;market acceptable.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)">Some members here &quot;restore&quot; coins.&nbsp; The results they post (Are their other results we don&#039;t get to see? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />) are fantastic.&nbsp; My calling in life is to detect counterfeit and altered coins and to conserve genuine specimens.&nbsp; I don&#039;t &quot;cherry-coat&quot; the determinations I make.&nbsp; I am also not </span><span style="color: #000066">infallible.&nbsp; However, I have little regard for anyone who can look at a particular coin with an </span><span style="color: #b300b3">OBVIOUS </span><span style="color: #000066">defect and fail to see it.&nbsp; The sky is not red, get it? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I also have very little regard for folks who take their ball and go home crying <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> rather than continuing a discussion no mater how sarcastic or caustic it becomes.&nbsp; In my experience, it means they are either backed into a wall and do not wish to admit they were not as correct as they thought </span><span style="color: #b30000">OR they may be hiding something. </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #00b300">Happily</span><span style="color: #000066">, I&#039;ve been backed into that wall on two occasions since joining.&nbsp; IMO, This is not one of them.&nbsp; </span><span style="color: #00b300">I say happily because that&#039;s one way to learn new thing or correct misconceptions.</span><span style="color: #000066"> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie59" alt=":joyful:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Pishpash wrote: &quot; I know that YOC had the coin in soak for a couple of weeks.&quot; <span style="color: #0000b3"> Now, we are learning some things.&nbsp; I&#039;ve never soaked a coin in distilled water as time is a factor.&nbsp; Deionized water is used by professionals.&nbsp; </span>&nbsp; &quot;My method of removing the hard green mineral (takes around 40 minutes start to finish)...&quot;&nbsp; <span style="color: #000066">And I wish that you at least are not bound to secrecy <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />and can share more info on your methods.&nbsp; </span><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; <span style="color: #000066">That is why I requested the use of your before photos </span><span style="color: #ff0000">BOTH</span><span style="color: #000066"> to try and learn what works for that restorer and to learn if the coin was altered in a &quot;more or less &quot;unacceptable&quot; way in spite of the great results.&nbsp; Oh, and to prove that the coin </span><span style="color: #ff0000">WAS CORRODED</span><span style="color: #000066">.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000066">It is your choice to make as the person doing the &quot;job&quot; has written his hope that you keep it to yourself.&nbsp; How sad. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><br /></p><p>Marc Aceton wrote:&nbsp; It is a common misconception that one<span style="color: #b300b3"> can clean coins </span>with olive oil.&nbsp; Especially less cleaned coins are indeed frequently lubricated with oil, shoe polish, etc.. The effect of the lubricants is that the dirt is becoming permanently wet and hence darker, which makes the surface to appear homogeneous in color.&quot;&nbsp; <span style="color: #0000b3">IMO, olive oil is a good pre-conservation treatment. </span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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