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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;gc1111, post: 301623, member: 4142&quot;]I guess I have not been expressing myself very clearly. The comment about grading cleaned coins was meant to be a sarcastic overstatement, not a specific complaint about current practice. And I was deliberately mixing terminology. This was an attempt to point out how current practice has diverged from the original justification. If a coin has been damaged in a way that prevents grading standards from being applied, then there is an obvious and legitimate reason to &quot;no grade&quot; it. However that is not current practice.</p><p><br /></p><p>A 10x loupe is essentially a microscope. And these are in common use. The normally used lenses in my microscope are 5x. But then again I no longer have the eyes of a 25 yr old!</p><p><br /></p><p>A major problem is that there are no standards established (or even universal agreement)&nbsp; for &quot;harshly cleaned&quot;. There needs to be an open discussion of this and standards published like the ANA standards or Photograde (although I can&#039;t picture a Photograde equivalent <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>And to be specific, I completely agree that cleaning is an unwise practice for the reasons you have clearly and pictorally outlined. But that is a different issue from the question of what to do about grading or &quot;no grading&quot;[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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