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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;desertgem, post: 786026, member: 15199&quot;]An EF or lower coin, especially smaller ones, should have some grime from wear, generally in the crevices of the devices ( such as lettering) and date, maybe visible with a loupe. Now if it is removed&nbsp; <b>without</b> leaving evidence of doing so, it has been &quot;cleaned&quot;, but not detectable ( some people have developed expertise at doing this), and should not be labeled &quot;cleaned&quot; just because it doesn&#039;t have grime. If there are tiny scratches from say using&nbsp; a rose thorn or&nbsp; a toothpick, then it should be labeled cleaned.&nbsp; But with a G or AG coin, there may not be enough of a ridge to catch and hold grime any more, and so it might appear &quot;cleaned&quot; where it is just the result of wear.&nbsp; But if there are ( as Doug say above) deep lines ( especially if they are bright, indicating recently added), then even a low grade coin should be labeled as improperly cleaned.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have a tube of almost slick barber quarters, and even though they show little grime, you can tell which has been improperly cleaned by looking at the surfaces. After a while, you don&#039;t need a loupe, just tilt it around in your hand under a good light. If you find some such coins for spot or there about, pick some that look alike and then use a piece of steel wool from the gentlest possible to harsh ( by interevals, checking the surface each time), with soap and water if you want. Probably you will notice the lines on the first or second level. It is hard to describe, but once you start to see it, you will improve each time.&nbsp; Hope I haven&#039;t confused you on the above.</p><p><br /></p><p>By the way, it is much easier to add grime without notice than to remove it.Some people see grime and don&#039;t notice the fields that may have been altered. </p><p><br /></p><p>All in my opinion <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Jim</p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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