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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 3048230, member: 112&quot;]In a lot of cases that is what they do. And people pay them because they don&#039;t know how to even use those things. In other cases they do other things, use different chemicals. And in some cases the use of one chemical presages the use of another following it.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is also important to realize that even using the 4 things I mentioned, it is quite possible to harm a coin if any of those 4 things are not used correctly. Even distilled water, if not used correctly can cause harm to a coin. But if they are used correctly, no harm at all is done.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This where we begin to get into trouble. And when I say we I mean all of the people participating in this discussion. The reason we get into trouble is because of the words we use, words like cleaned, damage, alteration, originality - all of those words and more have different definitions to different people. So when you use them they mean one thing and when somebody reads what you said that same word means something else entirely different. And it is the different definitions that result in the responses being posted.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Again, it&#039;s definitions. In the strictest sense of the word is altering the surface of a coin damage ? Well, even rinsing a coin in distilled water alters the surface in the strictest sense of the word because it removes something from the coin. So is that damage ? In most people&#039;s eyes it is not. To the contrary, I believe most would see it as improving the coin, being beneficial to the coin. And the same thing is true of using something as harsh as coin dip of one kind or another - all of which contain an acid. And that most definitely alters the surface of a coin. So is that damage in your eyes ? But again, the numismatic world as a whole sees using coin dip as being beneficial. In point of fact 80% or more of all older coins have been dipped at one point or another in their lives. And yet they are cleanly graded and slabbed on a daily basis. Dipping coins has been an accepted and approved practice for well over a hundred years, and in some cases much longer.</p><p><br /></p><p>So do you see what I mean ? It&#039;s definitions. What one sees as damage another sees as beneficial.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Some of the contradictions in opinion and logic that you see in various posts are made because the person making them has bad or inaccurate information. Others are made because of the differences in definitions.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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