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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 994638, member: 112"]Can't say that I disagree with you. I'm merely pointing out that "doctoring" has a negative conotation and thus is generally only used when talking about an unacceptable practice as opposed to an acceptable one.</p><p><br /></p><p>To me it's kind of like using the word penny instead of cent. Yes, cent is the correct technical term. But even the US Mint uses the word penny to describe the coins so it's kind of hard to say it is unacceptable to do so.</p><p><br /></p><p>You are making the same argument that Thad is. That just because you personally, and maybe some others, consider dipping a coin to be doctoring, that it should be called doctoring. Well, the established numismatic community disagrees with you as they do not call it doctoring. I think that is exactly why the PNG specifically left dipping out of their definition of doctoring.</p><p><br /></p><p>Trust me, I know exactly how you feel. As you well know I vehemently disagree with the current grading practices of the TPGs. But as you, and many others, continually tell me - I'm wrong. That they, the TPGs, are doing nothing wrong by grading the way they do today.</p><p><br /></p><p>So I guess we have one more thing in common, at least in that regard.</p><p><br /></p><p>edit - as to your comment about MS70. As I said, I tend to agree with you when it comes to what it does to copper. But what about what it does to a hazy Proof ? Do we, should we, consider that doctoring as well ? I guess you would say yes given your thoughts about dipping. But I wouldn't.</p><p><br /></p><p>That's why I think it is so very, very important to use the terms cleaning, and harsh (or improper) cleaning. There is no room for doubt then, there is no abiguity.</p><p><br /></p><p>My fear is that familiarity breeds acceptance. And if we use start using terms like acceptable doctoring and unacceptable doctoring, it will spill over until even more forms of doctoring are considered to be acceptable.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think, truly believe even, that we must keep the negative conotation that applies to the term doctoring. To not do so will do the hobby harm.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 994638, member: 112"]Can't say that I disagree with you. I'm merely pointing out that "doctoring" has a negative conotation and thus is generally only used when talking about an unacceptable practice as opposed to an acceptable one. To me it's kind of like using the word penny instead of cent. Yes, cent is the correct technical term. But even the US Mint uses the word penny to describe the coins so it's kind of hard to say it is unacceptable to do so. You are making the same argument that Thad is. That just because you personally, and maybe some others, consider dipping a coin to be doctoring, that it should be called doctoring. Well, the established numismatic community disagrees with you as they do not call it doctoring. I think that is exactly why the PNG specifically left dipping out of their definition of doctoring. Trust me, I know exactly how you feel. As you well know I vehemently disagree with the current grading practices of the TPGs. But as you, and many others, continually tell me - I'm wrong. That they, the TPGs, are doing nothing wrong by grading the way they do today. So I guess we have one more thing in common, at least in that regard. edit - as to your comment about MS70. As I said, I tend to agree with you when it comes to what it does to copper. But what about what it does to a hazy Proof ? Do we, should we, consider that doctoring as well ? I guess you would say yes given your thoughts about dipping. But I wouldn't. That's why I think it is so very, very important to use the terms cleaning, and harsh (or improper) cleaning. There is no room for doubt then, there is no abiguity. My fear is that familiarity breeds acceptance. And if we use start using terms like acceptable doctoring and unacceptable doctoring, it will spill over until even more forms of doctoring are considered to be acceptable. I think, truly believe even, that we must keep the negative conotation that applies to the term doctoring. To not do so will do the hobby harm.[/QUOTE]
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