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<p>[QUOTE="imrich, post: 994486, member: 22331"]<b>An Honest Objective Response Concerning Coin Cleaning</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Arial Black">Thank you for the candid clarification on the subject of "coin cleaning". I believe your thoughts coincide with those of the majority knowledgeable objective Numismatists.</font></p><p><font face="Arial Black"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial Black">The following is an excerpt from a COINLINK article written by Greg Reynolds on September 8, 2010, "Defining Coin Doctoring and Dipping, Additions to the PCGS Lawsuit Against Alleged Coin Doctors": </font>“The majority of the numismatic community thinks [that] dipping can be OK,” <b><font face="Arial Black"><b>David Hall</b></font></b> relates, “though of course overdipping is a negative.” Note the words “can be” rather than “is”!<font face="Arial Black">"</font></p><p><font face="Arial Black">Mr. Reynolds also states and expands on the controversial subject of "dipping", Quote:</font><span style="color: #ff0000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"></span><b><span style="color: #ff0000">IV. Dipping is Not Coin Doctoring</span></b></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Arial Black">Mr. Reynolds describes some additions to the aforementioned PCGS Lawsuit: "</font>One of the coins in the package is in a PCGS holder. It is an 1851 one dollar gold piece that has been assigned a grade of MS-63 by the PCGS. It also has a sticker of approval from the <a href="http://www.caccoin.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.caccoin.com/" rel="nofollow">CAC</a>. Though I cannot really draw a conclusion from an image, it appears that it might be a very desirable coin. The handwritten instruction specifies a “light clean-up”!<font face="Arial Black">"</font></p><p><font face="Arial Black"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial Black">I find it difficult to accept that knowledgeable coin collectors apparently don't realize the extent of "cleaning" that is prevalent in the Numismatic industry, and they can condone a business that cleans coins while seemingly ridiculing an individual who asks about the practices of that business.</font></p><p><font face="Arial Black"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial Black">During my many years of coin collecting, I've sold numerous </font><font face="Arial Black">century+ old </font><font face="Arial Black">highly graded (i.e. MS63>) PCGS Gold coins that were in Au Naturel state, which were returned because of "bag rub", not having a uniform cleaned appearance. I've submitted these same coins to auctions on many occasions, often offered without reserve, and an appreciably discounted initial bid, with close-up images. The coins generally are unbid, still in my possession, several having an appearance that many would expect on a less than AU state coin. These are coins that were delivered/handled uncirculated from the mint in bags, more than 100 years past. What does a knowledgeable collector expect? Informed objective "dealers" know, and often provide. It is difficult to prove, but "</font> More than two thirds of all uncirculated 19th century silver coins have been dipped at one time or another<font face="Arial Black">" (quote from aforementioned article).</font></p><p><font face="Arial Black"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></font></p><p><font face="Arial Black"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="imrich, post: 994486, member: 22331"][b]An Honest Objective Response Concerning Coin Cleaning[/b] [FONT=Arial Black]Thank you for the candid clarification on the subject of "coin cleaning". I believe your thoughts coincide with those of the majority knowledgeable objective Numismatists. The following is an excerpt from a COINLINK article written by Greg Reynolds on September 8, 2010, "Defining Coin Doctoring and Dipping, Additions to the PCGS Lawsuit Against Alleged Coin Doctors": [/FONT]“The majority of the numismatic community thinks [that] dipping can be OK,” [B][FONT=Arial Black][B]David Hall[/B][/FONT][/B] relates, “though of course overdipping is a negative.” Note the words “can be” rather than “is”![FONT=Arial Black]" Mr. Reynolds also states and expands on the controversial subject of "dipping", Quote:[/FONT][COLOR=#ff0000] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#ff0000]IV. Dipping is Not Coin Doctoring[/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Arial Black]Mr. Reynolds describes some additions to the aforementioned PCGS Lawsuit: "[/FONT]One of the coins in the package is in a PCGS holder. It is an 1851 one dollar gold piece that has been assigned a grade of MS-63 by the PCGS. It also has a sticker of approval from the [URL="http://www.caccoin.com/"]CAC[/URL]. Though I cannot really draw a conclusion from an image, it appears that it might be a very desirable coin. The handwritten instruction specifies a “light clean-up”![FONT=Arial Black]" I find it difficult to accept that knowledgeable coin collectors apparently don't realize the extent of "cleaning" that is prevalent in the Numismatic industry, and they can condone a business that cleans coins while seemingly ridiculing an individual who asks about the practices of that business. During my many years of coin collecting, I've sold numerous [/FONT][FONT=Arial Black]century+ old [/FONT][FONT=Arial Black]highly graded (i.e. MS63>) PCGS Gold coins that were in Au Naturel state, which were returned because of "bag rub", not having a uniform cleaned appearance. I've submitted these same coins to auctions on many occasions, often offered without reserve, and an appreciably discounted initial bid, with close-up images. The coins generally are unbid, still in my possession, several having an appearance that many would expect on a less than AU state coin. These are coins that were delivered/handled uncirculated from the mint in bags, more than 100 years past. What does a knowledgeable collector expect? Informed objective "dealers" know, and often provide. It is difficult to prove, but "[/FONT] More than two thirds of all uncirculated 19th century silver coins have been dipped at one time or another[FONT=Arial Black]" (quote from aforementioned article). :confused: [/FONT][/QUOTE]
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