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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dayriser, post: 761853, member: 21610&quot;]Right on Dio... That is all I was saying... Given enough coins produced there will always be best and worst examples... And the best examples will be white...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And I indeed go right on believing what I originally said... Lot&#039;s of coins get cleaned... Improper cleaning is bad, proper cleaning is unnecessary at best... I simply don&#039;t agree with the 80% number being thrown out there and then all the strong statement to indicate your argument is without flaw... Let us debate, if you please... By the way, if by your statistics only 80% of the blast white coins we have seen are dipped or cleaned, they by what method, what mechanism, what miracle of modern science accounts for the other 20% that are not toned... Where did those guys get the sci-fi airtight vacuum containers at the turn of the century that kept their coins so pristine... If you are going to say 80, you might as well go with 100... If you are going to allow that 20% manage to keep their luster through some extroardinary set of circumstances, then you have to allow that the percentage could be higher, and not be so inclined to attribute every pristine finish to a good cleaning...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And on the newness of cleaning coins, you are still talking as if collectors are the only ones who have ever desired to keep a coin looking it&#039;s best... Grandparent&#039;s have been handing down coins to their grandkids for centuries, and certainly some of those were people who might have backgrounds in any number of different trades that would give them insight into the need or desirability of protecting heirloom quality coins... Collectors as you see them have changed quite a bit through the years, but humans have liked shiny little baubles for a far cry longer than there have been forums on the internet to discuss them... Some people protected them well, some people didn&#039;t... Some people cleaned them, some people didn&#039;t... There are examples from all over the spectrum... and before I can accept 80%, I would need to see some actual studies to that effect, not just one person with an irrefutable, indisputable, fact-laden OPINION... <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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