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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;geekpryde, post: 3763750, member: 36248&quot;]TPGS do sort of give it a grade.&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the MS / AU / XF .... details not meeting your requirements?</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/details-grading/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/details-grading/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/details-grading/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I mean, they cant really give it a number grade, as every collector has their own idea of what amount of grades they would subtract for the PMD / harshly cleaned coins.&nbsp;&nbsp; Meaning, some people wouldnt touch a harshly cleaned coined with ten-foot pole, another person might be -10 grades/points, but another person might only subject 1 or 2 points.&nbsp; &nbsp; This is &quot;net grading&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; People dont even agree with each other or TPG when it comes to fully original coins with no problems, so even attempting to put a hard numbered net grade seems like an act of futility to me.</p><p><br /></p><p>By not giving it a numerical grade, it all is like a warning sign flashing, you look at the specifics of why it was slabbed without a numeric grade, you might check over the coin surfaces with more care, etc. </p><p><br /></p><p>If they put &quot;MS62 details&quot; on a harshly cleaned but otherwise MS64 Morgan, dont you think people would be tricking/fooling people with their auctions of a &quot;great MS62 Morgan, really old, amazingly rare&quot;.&nbsp; The lazy person, or the uneducated person, might just see the 62 and assume its a straight grade.&nbsp;&nbsp; TPG avoid a lot of problems by simply not giving these problem coins a numeric grade.</p><p><br /></p><p>For me, the system for PMD / cleaned coins is working as intended with the current accepted practices by PCGS &amp; NGC.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; There are a lot of things that need fixing in this hobby, I personally don&#039;t think this is one of them.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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