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<p>[QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 2370484, member: 1892"]OK, now it gets fun. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's about the most telling frame I found in the video:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]484583[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>From the rest of the video, the toning is there in full glory, as offered by the OP in the initial images. From this frame, it is <b>clear</b> that the lines are also there, in the exact strength pictured. It is clear, now, that the lines predate the toning, or they would have wrecked it. I am therefore completely wrong in thinking the images are two different stages of the coin. However, lines that sharp toning in normal progression is <b>astounding</b> in itself; the lines should interfere with or alter - if not completely prevent - thin-film interference, which occurs in a vertical depth very likely much less than the depth of those lines. We're talking about thicknesses measured in the ten-thousandths of a millimeter.</p><p><br /></p><p>Heavy-duty thought is required.</p><p><br /></p><p>None of this does anything to address the intuitive obviousness of your theory being wrong, though, Doug. You just_can't_stop lines short of an incuse device on a die, and you just_can't_reach the sides of an incuse device with something wiping the die. Simply not possible, and anyone who can visualize the surface of a die with devices should see that clearly. The only way to mark the edges of a device - like the sun, as the best example - is when it's a positive.</p><p><br /></p><p>It also seems...too cute, maybe?....that both sets of "wipes" are on the same part of each die as well; that's why I floated the emery cloth idea (which, for the record, would create this effect on the surface of a struck coin). I have no idea whether the location of the lines is really relevant to how they came about, but I have to admit their location on what would be the same part of both dies - as you'd expect grease to appear if it did - does tend to support your thinking. It's just that the previous points against are absolute dealbreakers.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 2370484, member: 1892"]OK, now it gets fun. :D Here's about the most telling frame I found in the video: [ATTACH=full]484583[/ATTACH] From the rest of the video, the toning is there in full glory, as offered by the OP in the initial images. From this frame, it is [B]clear[/B] that the lines are also there, in the exact strength pictured. It is clear, now, that the lines predate the toning, or they would have wrecked it. I am therefore completely wrong in thinking the images are two different stages of the coin. However, lines that sharp toning in normal progression is [B]astounding[/B] in itself; the lines should interfere with or alter - if not completely prevent - thin-film interference, which occurs in a vertical depth very likely much less than the depth of those lines. We're talking about thicknesses measured in the ten-thousandths of a millimeter. Heavy-duty thought is required. None of this does anything to address the intuitive obviousness of your theory being wrong, though, Doug. You just_can't_stop lines short of an incuse device on a die, and you just_can't_reach the sides of an incuse device with something wiping the die. Simply not possible, and anyone who can visualize the surface of a die with devices should see that clearly. The only way to mark the edges of a device - like the sun, as the best example - is when it's a positive. It also seems...too cute, maybe?....that both sets of "wipes" are on the same part of each die as well; that's why I floated the emery cloth idea (which, for the record, would create this effect on the surface of a struck coin). I have no idea whether the location of the lines is really relevant to how they came about, but I have to admit their location on what would be the same part of both dies - as you'd expect grease to appear if it did - does tend to support your thinking. It's just that the previous points against are absolute dealbreakers.[/QUOTE]
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