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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2369503, member: 112&quot;]Yeah the lines do not run up to the edge of the devices in this picture, in the fields they stop about the same distance away -</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/image-jpeg.483697/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>- but they do run across the feathers and stars.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And they do run up the edges of the devices in this one -</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/image-jpeg.483700/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>- as well running across the sun and on across the rays.</p><p><br /></p><p>And that&#039;s exactly what I said they do. Those diagnostics are also the reason for my explanation of how this happened in the my first post in this thread.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are 3 possibilities to explain the lines on this coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>1 - die polish lines</p><p><br /></p><p>But it is impossible for die polish lines to be on the devices. And, as Dave pointed out previously, die polish lines almost always run right up to and stop at the edge of the devices. But these pictures show that there are obviously lines on the devices, and they show that some lines stop before they reach the devices. Therefore these lines cannot be the result of die polishing.</p><p><br /></p><p>2 - harsh cleaning of the coin</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem with this possibility is that on a coin the devices are the high point. And if harsh cleaning were attempted on the coin the devices (the high points) would be subjected to the most abuse and show at least as many lines as the fields show. But they do not. Instead the devices only show a few lines here and there, but the lines are definitely there. So the coin could not have been harshly cleaned or this would not be the case.</p><p><br /></p><p>3 - the die was harshly cleaned resulting is scratches on the die</p><p><br /></p><p>On a die the devices are the low point, so they would be subjected to the least abuse, and the fields are the high point so they would be subjected to the most abuse. This is what the pictures show, the devices have a few lines, the fields have a lot of lines.</p><p><br /></p><p>Given all of that, it cannot be #1. And given the diagnostics it cannot be #2. So #3 seems to be the only explanation left.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now Dave says that&#039;s bad information. But is it ? I&#039;m just describing what the pictures show us. Do you deny that&#039;s what the pictures show us Dave ? If you do, please say so, and give us another possible explanation. I&#039;m ready to listen, and will even change my mind if you can counter the points I have made.</p><p><br /></p><p>Or if you prefer and want to leave it at - we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree - I&#039;m OK with that too.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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