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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1762058, member: 112"]OK, but why would verdigris being on the coin (there are little specks of it all over the coin by the way) make you think it had been cleaned ? Harshly or not ?   There are a hundred different things to learn, different ways the coin can look. Learning how to spot harshly cleaned coins consistently and accurately is one of the hardest things there is to learn because of that. Sometimes it's the color, sometimes it's fine hairlines, sometimes heavier hairlines, sometimes it patches of hairlines here and there and sometimes they cover virtually the whole coin. Sometimes it dirt & grime in this place and not in that place, sometimes it's the lack of luster in proportion to the amount of wear, and sometimes it's the lack of luster when there is no wear at all. I could write for 2 weeks and still not cover all of the possibilities and variables. Simply put, it requires a lot of experience.   That depends, sometimes it is bad news and sometimes it isn't. That's often because the TPGs are so inconsistent when it comes labeling a coin as having been harshly cleaned. You can send it in and it comes back harshly cleaned. Then you crack it out and send in the exact same coin and it comes back graded. That happens a lot. It also depends on what the coin is, some coins, even thought they have been harshly cleaned, the TPGs will still grade and slab them as if they had not been harshly cleaned. That is often true with scarce or valuable coins, or coins from a famous collection, coins that have a famous pedigree in other words. There is no rhyme or reason to it, you just have to have the experience to know all of these things.    A coin being harshly cleaned can be worth anywhere from 20% to 80% of what a problem free example is worth. And there is no rule to determine where in that percentage range a given coin will fall, on any given day.[/QUOTE]

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