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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2438258, member: 24314&quot;][USER=71338]@joecoincollect[/USER] said:&nbsp; I am thinking of TPG grading. <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)">So am I </span> Are you telling me they only details grade coins like you describe? <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)">NO, I&#039;m trying to get members who see a few hairlines on a coin to STOP calling them harshly cleaned. </span>Are you kidding? Have you never seen a minimally cleaned coin details graded as cleaned? <span style="color: #b300b3">Yes actually, on a daily basis. </span>I guess their actual wording is &quot;improperly&quot; cleaned. <span style="color: #b300b3">That&#039;s what they call it unless it is buffed, polished, or </span><span style="color: #ff0000">HARSHLY CLEANED!!!</span> <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)">There are DEGREES of improperly cleaned coins.&nbsp; Some do not even show hairlines. </span>This includes harsh cleaning and light cleaning. <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)">Yes, this is true... degrees. </span>There&#039;s no difference to them. <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)">That&#039;s the problem I&#039;m addressing here.&nbsp; Degrees matter.&nbsp; To call a coin with very light IMPROPER CLEANING (that would still rate a &quot;details&quot; grade) harshly cleaned is misleading nonsense that will confuse members who are not as knowledgeable as yourself.&nbsp; </span>My usage was just substituting harsh for improper. <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)">Words mean things.&nbsp; Remember, degrees.&nbsp; To even suggest that the OP&#039;s coin is improperly cleaned is nonsense. <span style="color: #b30000">However, I will grant you this due to the appearance of its OBVERSE (ONLY) surface.&nbsp; There are signs of old cleaning under the toning so sometime in the past the obverse was probably cleaned. </span></span>In any case, the point of my question was to ask if this coin would grade clean or not - and I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a definitive answer from that pic. <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)">Perhaps not to you; but several posters including myself are of the opinion that it will straight grade.&nbsp; </span>If a coin is given a details grade due to cleaning, I think it&#039;s appropriate to say it was harshly done <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)">ABSOLUTELY NOT!&nbsp; In my experience, TPGS professionals would not either</span>; otherwise, it would have graded. <span style="color: #b300b3">I see no indication on this thread that the coin was EVER submitted to a TPGS.</span> Note that harsh has 2 meanings: 1) rough to the eyes or other senses; <span style="color: #b300b3">NOT applicable to this coin.</span> 2) severe or cruel. <span style="color: #b300b3">DITTO, as severe or cruel is not the case with this coin either. </span>Even the second meaning could apply if you&#039;re comparing an uncleaned/market-acceptable coin to a lightly cleaned one.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><span style="color: #b300b3">Almost forgot. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> This post is entirely IMO.&nbsp; I hope you will agree with this.</span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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