Cleaned matte proof cent

I just don’t see any brilliant person dipping a proof Abe

 

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Yes I want to get to the bottom of this

 

Great thread

 

Spots are missing that were there in the old holder. Perhaps whomever evaluated it for "crossing" noticed they were missing / diminshed (cleaned)?

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Just the image. PCGS cracked the coin out of the PCI holder. The graders would not have seen the old image or the PCI holder.

 

We have no idea what the coin looked like before the dip. It could have been greatly improved even with the now off-color surfaces.

 

It looks like PCI graded the coin Proof. PCI slabs have toned coins, so someone probably dipped it before sending it to PCGS. A bigger problem is PCGS graded it MS. So which TPGS was correct. Lots of Proof diagnostics have been published since PCI graded it. I worked there for five years so it is possible I saw it.

 

Nope, PCGS called it PR - UNC Details.

 

So it does not mean that the entire coin was cleaned. The removal of the carbon spot from the cheekbone could be the reason it was Detailed.

 

It was not removed. It is still there in the PCGS picture, just not as pronounced because PCGS floods their pics with light and high contrast.

If anyone is still doubting why this coin was called cleaned, when the color is so clearly off, then you shouldn't be buying coins. You should be learning more. The coin is pink!

 

I was mistaken, the black spot I saw on the first photo is still there on the TrueView. It's a bit of corrosion, pointed to by the green arrow.

I was looking at the area of toning (red arrow) and thought the spot has been removed with some adjacent damage. Nope, it was just toning.

The spot in the field is almost invisible on the TrueView (blue arrow). But that spot was certainly never harshly cleaned, since you can see that the very fine structure of the surface is not interrupted by any errant lines or scratches.

 

Bob, are the rims perhaps why it was only graded PR63 originally? It is odd to have weak rims, since they are struck under high pressure. It looks like the metal just did not make it up into those sharp corners where the rims rise above the fields. But the surfaces certainly seem sharp, so I could understand a slight loss of grade.

 

If I was the first grader at PCi: IMO, the coin was originally graded PR-63 because of spots, color, and apparently a tiny bit of friction on the cheek. I don't grade coins by their rims or edges unless there is a problem (details). Many MS early Lincoln cents have sharper rims than this proof!

 

The Cure' of Ars could not have helped that coin....

 

Great information to know. Thanks. My 1913 business strike does, in fact, have better rims on most of the obverse! But the engraving in the beard and hair don’t have that proof sharpness.

 

The PCGS TrueViews has had a history of a reddish/pinkish tilt on their photos. I’m not doubting this coin was cleaned. I’d like to see a photo of it how it looks through another lens. Maybe Larry can take a photo of the coin in its new holder or even better, cracked out and get a photos of the coin without the plastic.

 

GC will image the coin soon. I'll post what they come up with.