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<p>[QUOTE="imrich, post: 1347947, member: 22331"]<b>Definitions</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Doug, I'm sorry but I beg to differ with you, as the OP question was seemingly naively specific. </b><b>I personally haven't ESP capability to read ones' mind when it is asked</b> "Why would someone clean a gold coin?"<b>. Nor would I propose to be the authority of what is meant when TPG use a vague word having specific meaning to describe perceived subjective conditions. The question was quite specific, and I provided a verbose, but somewhat specific answer. </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b></b><b>If</b> <b>TPG were to use words as "scoured", "abraded", "altered", etc., I wouldn't take exception to their efforts. These words are definitive, consuming less label space, why aren't they used? Because, I believe the figurative "Elephant in the room" where definitive words may adversely affect some interested parties. In my opinion, and I believe a panel of objective disinterested jurors, it could easily be shown that use of this word is improper.</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b> </b><b>I believe that if an action were adjudicated, where damages were cited, caused by the use of a general word, a word which isn't used consistently in the professional grading industry, an objective finding would support the complainant. Unless there are specific criteria stated for application of this general word, which I suspect would apply to the majority of "circulated" coins, I pose that the word isn't adequately definitive. If it can be shown that "cleaned" coins can receive a differing result by other equally qualified professionals within, or without of the same organization, I suspect that damages could be affirmed. </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>If we view the facts about the frequency of "cleaning" and subsequent submission by benefiting parties, I believe objective individuals will take exception to only few having authority of definition. I pose that neither you nor I have that ultimate authority to define the word </b><b>"clean" </b><b>or add perceived adjectives. </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>An authoritative definition of the word clean, is simply: "</b>Free (remove) from foreign matter or pollution<b>". </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>After viewing the </b><b>vehemently guttural hostilities posted in this thread when a simple question is asked about a commonly spoken vague word, I feel as I queried the use of a commonly spoken ethnic word at a NAACP meeting.</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Just my humble opinion folks. I'm sorry, the "Devils' Advocacy" made me do it. </b>:hail:[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="imrich, post: 1347947, member: 22331"][b]Definitions[/b] [B]Doug, I'm sorry but I beg to differ with you, as the OP question was seemingly naively specific. [/B][B]I personally haven't ESP capability to read ones' mind when it is asked[/B] "Why would someone clean a gold coin?"[B]. Nor would I propose to be the authority of what is meant when TPG use a vague word having specific meaning to describe perceived subjective conditions. The question was quite specific, and I provided a verbose, but somewhat specific answer. [/B][B]If[/B] [B]TPG were to use words as "scoured", "abraded", "altered", etc., I wouldn't take exception to their efforts. These words are definitive, consuming less label space, why aren't they used? Because, I believe the figurative "Elephant in the room" where definitive words may adversely affect some interested parties. In my opinion, and I believe a panel of objective disinterested jurors, it could easily be shown that use of this word is improper. [/B][B]I believe that if an action were adjudicated, where damages were cited, caused by the use of a general word, a word which isn't used consistently in the professional grading industry, an objective finding would support the complainant. Unless there are specific criteria stated for application of this general word, which I suspect would apply to the majority of "circulated" coins, I pose that the word isn't adequately definitive. If it can be shown that "cleaned" coins can receive a differing result by other equally qualified professionals within, or without of the same organization, I suspect that damages could be affirmed. If we view the facts about the frequency of "cleaning" and subsequent submission by benefiting parties, I believe objective individuals will take exception to only few having authority of definition. I pose that neither you nor I have that ultimate authority to define the word [/B][B]"clean" [/B][B]or add perceived adjectives. An authoritative definition of the word clean, is simply: "[/B]Free (remove) from foreign matter or pollution[B]". After viewing the [/B][B]vehemently guttural hostilities posted in this thread when a simple question is asked about a commonly spoken vague word, I feel as I queried the use of a commonly spoken ethnic word at a NAACP meeting. Just my humble opinion folks. I'm sorry, the "Devils' Advocacy" made me do it. [/B]:hail:[/QUOTE]
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