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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 1428738, member: 112&quot;]There is no difference. And that&#039;s why so many people get confused over the issue. </p><p><br /></p><p>In common usage, ordinary conversation if you will, when somebody uses the word &quot;cleaned&quot;, what they really mean is harshly or improperly (either is correct) cleaned.</p><p><br /></p><p>When NGC slabs a harshly cleaned coin, they say Improperly Cleaned on the slab label.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://images.ha.com/lf?source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fnewnames%2f300%2f7%2f6%2f0%2f9%2f7609127.jpg%5d%2ccontinueonerror%5btrue%5d&amp;scale=size%5b220x350%5d%2coptions%5blimit%5d&amp;source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fwebuse%2fno_image_available.gif%5d%2cif%5b%28%27global.source.error%27%29%5d&amp;sink=preservemd%5btrue%5d" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" 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href="http://images.ha.com/lf?source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fnewnames%2f300%2f7%2f6%2f0%2f9%2f7609127.jpg%5d%2ccontinueonerror%5btrue%5d&amp;scale=size%5b220x350%5d%2coptions%5blimit%5d&amp;source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fwebuse%2fno_image_available.gif%5d%2cif%5b%28%27global.source.error%27%29%5d&amp;sink=preservemd%5btrue%5d" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://images.ha.com/lf?source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fnewnames%2f300%2f7%2f6%2f0%2f9%2f7609127.jpg%5d%2ccontinueonerror%5btrue%5d&amp;scale=size%5b220x350%5d%2coptions%5blimit%5d&amp;source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fwebuse%2fno_image_available.gif%5d%2cif%5b%28%27global.source.error%27%29%5d&amp;sink=preservemd%5btrue%5d" rel="nofollow">W</a>hen PCGS slabs a harshly cleaned coin, they label it Cleaning, and use the code 92 in the slab number.</p><p><br /></p><p><a 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data-proxy-href="http://images.ha.com/lf?source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fnewnames%2f300%2f7%2f8%2f4%2f5%2f7845283.jpg%5d%2ccontinueonerror%5btrue%5d&amp;scale=size%5b220x350%5d%2coptions%5blimit%5d&amp;source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fwebuse%2fno_image_available.gif%5d%2cif%5b%28%27global.source.error%27%29%5d&amp;sink=preservemd%5btrue%5d" rel="nofollow">B</a>ut in the definition for code 92 that PCGS uses, they say - </p><p><br /></p><p>92|N-2 Cleaned – surface damage due to a harsh, abrasive cleaning</p><p><br /></p><p>So like I said, in ordinary conversation, cleaned and harshly/improperly cleaned mean exactly the same thing. </p><p><br /></p><p>And that&#039;s why the problem, confusion over the definition of the word cleaned even exist. It&#039;s because people do not use the correct or proper terminology. There are two different terms - cleaned, and harshly cleaned. And they do not mean the same thing, but people use them as if they did.</p><p><br /></p><p>A dipped coin is a cleaned coin. A conserved coin is a cleaned coin. A coin soaked in water, or soaked in acetone, or xylene, is a cleaned coin. But they are not &quot;harshly cleaned&quot; coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>A coin being harshly cleaned is the problem. </p><p><br /></p><p>A coin being cleaned is not a problem.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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