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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3977126, member: 112"]CGS ? Not sure (for both questions) what they would say because I'm not all that familiar with them to be honest. </p><p><br /></p><p>But die scratches should be accounted for and thought of as flaws/detractions when grading because that's exactly what they are, flaws. They are not supposed to be there. Die scratches are no different than die cracks or clash marks, they are all flaws because they are simply not supposed to be there.</p><p><br /></p><p>To understand this ask yourself a simple question. If you have 2 identical coins, with the only difference being one has either, die scratches, die cracks, or clash marks, then can the coin with any of those 3, or even all of them, possibly grade as high as the coin without them ? The answer should obviously be no it cannot.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for whether or not someone call a coin with die scratches harshly cleaned; well, if they didn't recognize the die scratches for what they are - they might say it had been harshly cleaned. But if they did, they would be wrong.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Sure it could, and in fact they often do. This is because any scratch, in a coin or a die, not only results in an incuse line in the coin or die it also results in a raised line right along side the incuse line. It's a simple matter of physics, the displaced metal has to go someplace, it doesn't just disappear. And where it goes is into a raised line right beside the incuse line of the scratch.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is also why some folks mistakenly call die scratches die polishing lines. It's because they are seeing the raised lines from the scratch and thinking that because they are raised they have to be die polish lines. But they're wrong, they don't have to be at all. </p><p><br /></p><p>When you know how, it is quite easy to distinguish die scratches, scratches on the coin, and die polishing lines, all from each other. Even when all 3 are found on the exact same coin - and even all 3 being on the same coin is common.</p><p><br /></p><p>All of this is why it so confusing for a lot of folks. Even those who should know better.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3977126, member: 112"]CGS ? Not sure (for both questions) what they would say because I'm not all that familiar with them to be honest. But die scratches should be accounted for and thought of as flaws/detractions when grading because that's exactly what they are, flaws. They are not supposed to be there. Die scratches are no different than die cracks or clash marks, they are all flaws because they are simply not supposed to be there. To understand this ask yourself a simple question. If you have 2 identical coins, with the only difference being one has either, die scratches, die cracks, or clash marks, then can the coin with any of those 3, or even all of them, possibly grade as high as the coin without them ? The answer should obviously be no it cannot. As for whether or not someone call a coin with die scratches harshly cleaned; well, if they didn't recognize the die scratches for what they are - they might say it had been harshly cleaned. But if they did, they would be wrong. Sure it could, and in fact they often do. This is because any scratch, in a coin or a die, not only results in an incuse line in the coin or die it also results in a raised line right along side the incuse line. It's a simple matter of physics, the displaced metal has to go someplace, it doesn't just disappear. And where it goes is into a raised line right beside the incuse line of the scratch. This is also why some folks mistakenly call die scratches die polishing lines. It's because they are seeing the raised lines from the scratch and thinking that because they are raised they have to be die polish lines. But they're wrong, they don't have to be at all. When you know how, it is quite easy to distinguish die scratches, scratches on the coin, and die polishing lines, all from each other. Even when all 3 are found on the exact same coin - and even all 3 being on the same coin is common. All of this is why it so confusing for a lot of folks. Even those who should know better.[/QUOTE]
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