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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;imrich, post: 859067, member: 22331&quot;]<b>After more than 10 years of trying to determine what the average consumer desires, placing &quot;top tier&quot; certified ugly &quot;natural&quot; coins in auction with a starting bid of &quot;CDN bid minus 10%&quot;, and cleaned coins of the same type/era/grade, I&#039;ve substantiated that you are in the majority. I have those same certified coins, imaging some in past posts, as I never even receive an initial bid. The cleaned coins always sold when listed with similar pricing. I know from dealer communications that a significant portion of coins </b><b>are cleaned before being </b><b>submitted for certification. Many coins have a </b><b>lower grade </b><b>before removal from holders, being returned with a higher grade. </b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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