Claudius The Fifth Caesar

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  1. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Born 10 BC
    Died 64 AD
    Seller says: Libertas Avgusta
    Liberty standing right between
    S and C
    Commemorating 800th year of Rome and 500th year of the SPQR

    Is this correct?

    Nice olive green patina.

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  3. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Weight and size would help for the exact attribution. And he died in 54 after eating a good mushroom meal prepared by his lovely wife....
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  4. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Only partially. A little research will tell you what you want to know.
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  5. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Also try to read the obverse legend:can you see the letters PP at the end ? You will be able to date your coin and see if it fit with the 800th anniversary of Rome.
  6. jamesicus

    jamesicus Supporter! Supporter

    Example/Reference coin:

    RIC Vol I, CLAUDIUS, As, Rome, No. 113 (AD 50)
    Obverse: Claudius, bare headed facing left
    Inscription clockwise from bottom: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP P P
    Reverse: Personification of Liberty, standing, facing right - holding freedman’s cap (pileus) in right hand
    Inscription clockwise from bottom: LIBERTAS AVGVSTA | S -------- C (left and right)
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019
  7. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    It could also be a RIC 97 without the PP. 94DFACE3-F797-47BC-B879-C51CA6AE671C.jpeg
  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I tried to get better photos. Not sure if I succeed or not. No scale to weigh but it's exactly 1 1/16" wide. IMG_2940.JPG IMG_2941.JPG
  9. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    One thing is sure with your coin. On the reverse, Libertas (the Roman goddess of liberty) looks like a statue. It is possible that this is a representation of the statue who took place in the Libertas Temple built by Titus Sempronius in 238 BC on the Aventine Hill in Rome.

    Libertas has served as the inspiration for many modern-day symbols like the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island.


    The Statue's Roman robe is the main feature that invokes Libertas and the symbol of the Liberty from which the Statue derives its name.
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Do the cropped photos help? IMG_2940.JPG IMG_2941.JPG
    I'm not seeing a PP at the end on the obverse.
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  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    I think it's there, below the bust. Compare its location to that on my coin, above yours.
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  13. jamesicus

    jamesicus Supporter! Supporter

    …………… and mine earlier in the thread. Much better (clearer) pics IMO @Collecting Nut - thank you. Now let us see what @dougsmit and @TIF (the real experts) say about that.
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2019
  14. frankjg

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  15. jamesicus

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    They help me - yes.
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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Are you saying there is a diameter or weight difference between the PP and non PP issues? I believe in scales but rarely use calipers. Fractions of a mm are not significant on a hammered coin and a plastic ruler will give whole mm readings sufficient to tell an as from a sestertius. I do not specialize in Claudius and am not aware of any fine differences here. The PP as below is about as far gone ascan be attributed by what I know. I saved it for the patina but never cataloged it in my collection. It comes in handy to demonstrate split grading. VG+/PR-?
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  17. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    I agree with you Mr.Smith. In this particular case weight and size would not have made a difference. But generally speaking, asking help for attribution without those details are not helping at all. Aniway, a ruler, alittle scale and a good magnifier aren’t basic tools for anyone who wants to practice our favorite hobby ?
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