Claudius Gothicus Consecratio

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  1. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here is a coin from @John Anthony 's recent auction and received in the mail today, ex the Doug Smith collection. Attribution of these types is a bit complicated, as the obverses and reverses come in many variants, so I have spent the last hour working on the attribution.

    First of all, some of the busts are draped, some are not. Some of the altars are flaming, some are not. Some of the altars feature four dots, one in each section of the altar, and some do not. Some of the types feature CONSECRATIO instead spelled with an A or AE.

    So here is a coin without a draped bust, featuring four dots within the altar with a flame. So narrowing it down, could it be MILAN? There is a Rome issue I was looking at but the obverse includes the prefix IMP (so not that one).

    I'm taking an educated guess that it is the Milan mint. In fact, it was kind of fun going through the myriad types on Wildwinds and narrowing it down. Some feature mintmarks, some do not. Mine does not.

    So here we have:

    Claudius, AE antoninianus, Milan mint.

    Obverse: DIVO CLAVDIO, radiate head right

    Reverse: CONSECRATIO, altar with flames above, front divided into four sections with dot in each section. No mintmark.

    Reference: RIC V-1, 261 Milan, Minster hoard 476 (same type, though I don't think this coin is from that hoard, but who knows?)

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    I took these shots in full sunshine, as it was difficult to get an OK one inside the house as the power in the house was off this afternoon as a contractor is doing a household addition. (It's back on now, though). Wi-fi therefore was off.

    Please feel free to share your DIVO CLAVDIO types!!!
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    This is, I believe, a barbarous Claudius Gothicus consecratio.
    It came from an uncleaned lot so it's really rough.
    If you squint really hard and tilt your head about 26 degrees to the left, you can kind of see the radiate parts of his crown. The reverse is a bit more distinct.
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  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

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    I bought it in 2012 from Don Zauche at a show and have no provenance info. I was partly attracted to the coin due to the reverse spelling CONSR(or H)C? Can you read more legend on the coin?
     
  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I think I can make out CONSECRATIO in full. Anyway, thanks Doug as I am enjoying my new coin.
     
  6. Shea19

    Shea19 Supporter! Supporter

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    Claudius II Gothicus (Died 270). Antoninianus. Rome. (22mm, 2.92g), RIC 1275
    Obv: DIVO CLAVDIO, Radiate bust right/ Rev: CONSECRATIO, Altar
     
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  7. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    Nice one ACH, I got mine from a CT member Ken Dorney. 2Xsoa9xCZcA7D5wHqHL63tbFsS4nM8.jpg
     
  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Does anyone have the types without the four dots? RIC has styles without four dots and instead of dots garlands.
     
  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

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    20-18 mm. 2.91 grams
    We call him Claudius Gothicus, but few of his coins do. There are coins with reverse type VICTORIAE GOTHIC, but that title on the obverse is unusual.
    DIVO CLAVDIO GOTHICO
    CONSECRATIO, altar, T in exergue
    Sear III 11465. RIC V.I. 264 Mediolanum, "S".
     
  10. Orielensis

    Orielensis Supporter! Supporter

    Just picked up this one three days ago. It was "bycatch" that came with a very different coin I had had my eyes on for a while – at merely €5 and combined shipping I couldn't resist this little Claudius II.

    It has some of the slightly undesirable features of Claudius' coinage: irregularly shaped flan, weak lettering, somewhat lazy engraving on the reverse. On a more positive note, the coin also has full legends, is struck on a large flan, has a well above-average portrait, good metal, and some remaining silvering. I, at least, am very happy with it.

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    (Better pictures and full details might follow at some point when I have access to my catalogues)
     
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  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice coins for the type everyone. I suppose great quantities were struck under the emperor Quintillus. Of course since Claudius was dead, he couldn't have ordered the striking of these coins.
     
  12. tenbobbit

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    I am not 100% sure but this one may be Dotless, the chips to the patina don't help but even under a 30x loupe I cant make any out.

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    Thick and heavy flan but too small for the die.
    Weight 3.28g Size 22mm
     
  13. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice one @tenbobbit - looks like there are no dots.
     
  14. Jims Coins

    Jims Coins Supporter! Supporter

    Here is my Eagle Consecratio EXB-172 OBV.jpg EXB-172 REV.jpg
     
  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Ah yes, the winged type. One could start a collection just focusing on the various types of the deified Claudius II.
     
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  16. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    In which case you would "need" one of these:

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    21-20 mm. 3.20 grams.
    RIC --, see page 233f, typs 256, 267. Cunetio --, Normanby 1144 (1 of 518 DIVO CLAVDIO pieces plus 897 imitations of DIVVS CLAVDIVS)
     
  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  18. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Nice coins all!

    I still need to eventually get around to buying a "nice" one of these, preferably with the DIVO CLAVDIO GOTHICO obverse legend on a full size, round flan.

    I have a small handful, but apparently only have two imaged. Both are likely related to the negligence and subsequent execution of the Roman mint master Felicissimus, and the subsequent rebellion and flight of his employees, who purportedly continued making barbarous copies of these coins.

    First is an official Rome mint antoninianus, muled with a Quintillus reverse, PAX AVGVSTI
    Divo Claudio Pax.jpg

    Second may be a post-revolt type after the eagle; it is only a little smaller than the official pieces, has no visible legend, and is of considerably higher skill than your typical "barb"
    Claudius ii consecratio barbarous mint revolt.jpg

    It's still in my "to image" list, but I did recently pick up a Claudius II posthumous minted about 40 years later by Constantine - Except for the early Restoration issues and of course Decius' issues, I believe this is the only time an emperor was honored so long after his death.

    I'd also be curious to know - I wonder whether these, the posthumous Constantine, or the Diva Faustina I denarii would take the trophy as the most extensive and common of all Roman posthumous issues?
     
  19. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I would wager that the issues post Constantine are the most numerous.
     
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