Clad Proof Sets (Value vs Mintage)

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  1. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Phil, how could you buy 2009 sets in 2006? devil.gif
     
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  3. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    You probably didn't know Ken that I was able to time travel. Actually, I made a typo. It should have said five 1999 clad proof sets. I've updated my earlier post. The Coors Light get stronger with each one:)
     
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  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Knew it was a typo. Just havin' a bit of fun with you old friend. Good choice on the Coors........:)
     
  5. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I'm kind of thinking the same thing...they will remain well above their original sales price but below where they are now.
     
  6. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    If you're looking for a few predictions, here are mine:

    The Silver Proof HOF's will settle at $80/each
    The 2012 Silver Proof Set will settle at $120/each
    The 2012 Clad Proof Set will settle at $50/each
    The 2012 UNC Mint Set will settle at $50/each
    The 2013 Silver Proof Set will settle at $80/each
    The Hawaii Puck will settle at $500/each
    The Acadia Puck will settle at $400/each
    The Denali Puck will settle at $320/each
    The Smokey Mountain Puck will settle at $180/each

    I did predict that the Lincoln Chronicle Set would eventually settle at $80/each. It is now at just $90 on ebay. Of course, I bought the 1999 silver proof set at $275:)
     
  7. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    I got burnt for even more Phil but that's what happens when one isn't patient. It can work the other way though. The trick is to know what is going to skyrocket and what is going to sink like a stone. Crystal ball would be handy but I should have known better. My bad.
    It will reside in my collection for as long as I walk the earth.......:)
     
  8. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    Here is the summer update of the clad proof sets. If anything, they seem to be trending lower in market value. If you looking to get rich off them, you better plan to retire a little later in life.

    Updated on 24-August-2014

    Year Mintage Issue Price/Market Value
    1999 2,557,899 $20/$11
    2000 3,097,442 $20/$8
    2001 2,249,498 $20/$10
    2002 2,319,786 $20/$10
    2003 2,245,295 $20/$9
    2004 1,804,396 $23/$10
    2005 2,275,000, $23/$8
    2006 2,000,428 $23/$9
    2007 1,717,972 $27/$18
    2008 1,405,674 $27/$46
    2009 1,477,967 $30/$25
    2010 1,103,930 $32/$35
    2011 1,098,175 $32/$35
    2012 792,002 $32/$100
    2013 802,461 $32/$35
    2014 441,410 $29/$32* (10% subscription discount)

    * Still selling at mint at the full price of $31.95.
     
  9. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    I here ya Ken. I'm still "living the good life" on my five 25th anniversary silver sets and my Hawaii collector's puck. It makes up for all the mint, clad, and silver proof sets as well as the plethora of presidential cover series.
     
  10. A little off topic for the date range, I picked up a run of 68-92 clad proof sets for $85 shipped. These things are dirt cheap and are fun to add to my collection. At these prices, it does seem they can get much lower. As to Phil's comment about the 1999 + sets drifting lower, I've seen many of the 2003-2006 sets with buy it nows on ebay for $7.50 shipped.
     
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  11. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    Below is the updated proof sets from 1955 to 2014. The ones from 55-64 are silver and the rest are clad. I have another thread for silver proof sets. The proof sets from the 90's to 06 continue to decline in value. They must be near rock bottom since you can almost break them open for their current market value. The 2012 continues to hold its value. Based on its current value, it may suggest that the 2014 set may be a good buy (still selling at the mint) and he 2013 set is undervalued in the market.


    Year Mintage Current Original

    1955 378,200 $100 $2
    1956 669,384 $50 $2
    1957 1,247,952 $30 $2
    1958 875,652 $35 $2
    1959 1,149,291 $35 $2
    1960 1,691,602 $25 $2
    1961 3,028,244 $23 $2
    1962 3,218,019 $20 $2
    1963 3,075,645 $20 $2
    1964 3,950,762 $22 $2
    1968 3,041,509 $7 $5
    1969 2,934,631 $8 $5
    1970 2,632,810 $8 $5
    1971 3,224,138 $6 $5
    1972 3,267,667 $6 $5
    1973 2,769,624 $6 $7
    1974 2,617,350 $6 $7
    1975 2,909,369 $6 $7
    1976 4,149,730 $10 $7
    1977 3,251,152 $7 $9
    1978 3,127,788 $6 $9
    1979 3,677,175 $6 $9
    1980 3,547,030 $6 $10
    1981 4,063,083 $7 $11
    1982 3,857,479 $6 $11
    1983 3,138,765 $6 $11
    1984 2,748,430 $6 $11
    1985 3,362,821 $5 $11
    1986 2,411,180 $5 $11
    1987 3,972,233 $5 $11
    1988 3,031,000 $5 $11
    1989 3,009,000 $5 $11
    1990 2,793,000 $5 $11
    1991 2,611,000 $6 $11
    1992 2,676,000 $5 $11
    1993 2,337,819 $8 $13
    1994 2,308,701 $6 $13
    1995 2,010,384 $7 $13
    1996 2,085,191 $6 $13
    1997 1,975,000 $6 $13
    1998 2,078,494 $6 $13
    1999 2,557,899 $8 $20
    2000 3,097,442 $8 $20
    2001 2,249,498 $7 $20
    2002 2,319,786 $7 $20
    2003 2,245,295 $7 $20
    2004 1,804,396 $7 $23
    2005 2,275,000 $7 $23
    2006 2,000,428 $7 $23
    2007 1,717,972 $15 $27
    2008 1,405,674 $30 $27
    2009 1,477,967 $25 $30
    2010 1,103,950 $37 $32
    2011 1,098,175 $35 $32
    2012 794,002 $100 $32
    2013 802,460 $35 $32
    2014 675,795 $29 $29


    Still Selling

    2014 Clad Proof Sets
     
  12. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    If you like charts, here you go.

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  13. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    Here is the latest on the Clad proof sets.

    Year Mintage Current Original

    1955 378,200 $100 $2
    1956 669,384 $50 $2
    1957 1,247,952 $30 $2
    1958 875,652 $35 $2
    1959 1,149,291 $35 $2
    1960 1,691,602 $25 $2
    1961 3,028,244 $23 $2
    1962 3,218,019 $20 $2
    1963 3,075,645 $20 $2
    1964 3,950,762 $22 $2
    1968 3,041,509 $7 $5
    1969 2,934,631 $8 $5
    1970 2,632,810 $8 $5
    1971 3,224,138 $6 $5
    1972 3,267,667 $6 $5
    1973 2,769,624 $6 $7
    1974 2,617,350 $6 $7
    1975 2,909,369 $9 $7
    1976 4,149,730 $10 $7
    1977 3,251,152 $7 $9
    1978 3,127,788 $6 $9
    1979 3,677,175 $6 $9
    1980 3,547,030 $6 $10
    1981 4,063,083 $7 $11
    1982 3,857,479 $6 $11
    1983 3,138,765 $6 $11
    1984 2,748,430 $6 $11
    1985 3,362,821 $5 $11
    1986 2,411,180 $5 $11
    1987 3,972,233 $5 $11
    1988 3,031,000 $5 $11
    1989 3,009,000 $5 $11
    1990 2,793,000 $5 $11
    1991 2,611,000 $6 $11
    1992 2,676,000 $5 $11
    1993 2,337,819 $8 $13
    1994 2,308,701 $6 $13
    1995 2,010,384 $7 $13
    1996 2,085,191 $6 $13
    1997 1,975,000 $6 $13
    1998 2,078,494 $6 $13
    1999 2,557,899 $8 $20
    2000 3,097,442 $8 $20
    2001 2,249,498 $7 $20
    2002 2,319,786 $7 $20
    2003 2,245,295 $7 $20
    2004 1,804,396 $7 $23
    2005 2,275,000 $7 $23
    2006 2,000,428 $7 $23
    2007 1,717,972 $15 $27
    2008 1,405,674 $30 $27
    2009 1,477,967 $25 $30
    2010 1,103,950 $37 $32
    2011 1,098,175 $35 $32
    2012 794,002 $97 $32
    2013 802,460 $35 $32
    2014 704,806 $30 $29
    2015 408,783 $30 $33

    Total 68,355,286 $947 $761

    Still Selling


    2014 & 2015 Clad Proof Sets

    And of the chart lovers.

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  14. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    An update on predictions from about this time last year. I was 2 for 9.

    The Silver Proof HOF's will settle at $80/each

    Wrong; they have settled lower at about $60/each.

    The 2012 Silver Proof Set will settle at $120/each

    Wrong; they've dipped slightly but still sell at $180/each

    The 2012 Clad Proof Set will settle at $50/each

    Wrong; they've dipped slightly but still sell at $90-$100 each

    The 2012 UNC Mint Set will settle at $50/each

    Correct; they are selling at about $50/each

    The 2013 Silver Proof Set will settle at $80/each

    Wrong; they are selling at about $60/each

    The Hawaii Puck will settle at $500/each

    Wrong; they continue to hold value and are selling at about $700/each

    The Acadia Puck will settle at $400/each

    Wrong; they continue to hold value and are selling at about $520/each

    The Denali Puck will settle at $320/each

    Correct; they are selling between $320-$330

    The Smokey Mountain Puck will settle at $180/each

    Wrong; it is selling at about $165/each
     
  15. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    Modern clad proof sets can be a good deal if you sell them when the prices surge. See 19Lyrds example above. When talking to new or even semi-seasoned numismatists, I always strongly suggest they sell some of their duplicates or less wanted purchases into the secondary market. This experience is invaluable in helping them decide what to pay for future items and educating them about how the coin market works. It also helps develop relationships with coin dealers that can richen their coin collecting experience.
     
  16. STU

    STU Active Member

    I to have been collecting since 1964 and collect as yourself not to get rich but for the enjoyment and maybe someday my grand kids will do the same as I have some of them interested
     
  17. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    Below is the beginning of the year update on the U.S. mint proof sets. Despite an already low value at the last update, most of the clad sets from 1970-2000 continue to lose value. It can't go much further or we'll just break them open to buy a can of soda. The 2012 set continues to hold value. It is the only gem in this otherwise lack luster bunch. As the 2014 and 2015 sets may have less mintage at the end of the day, it will be interesting to see if they gain any traction. I wouldn't bet my pet rock on it though.

    Year Mintage Current Original

    1955 378,200 $102 $2
    1956 669,384 $50 $2
    1957 1,247,952 $32 $2
    1958 875,652 $32 $2
    1959 1,149,291 $30 $2
    1960 1,691,602 $27 $2
    1961 3,028,244 $22 $2
    1962 3,218,019 $20 $2
    1963 3,075,645 $22 $2
    1964 3,950,762 $20 $2
    1968 3,041,509 $6 $5
    1969 2,934,631 $6 $5
    1970 2,632,810 $8 $5
    1971 3,224,138 $5 $5
    1972 3,267,667 $5 $5
    1973 2,769,624 $7 $7
    1974 2,617,350 $6 $7
    1975 2,909,369 $6 $7
    1976 4,149,730 $7 $7
    1977 3,251,152 $6 $9
    1978 3,127,788 $7 $9
    1979 3,677,175 $6 $9
    1980 3,547,030 $5 $10
    1981 4,063,083 $5 $11
    1982 3,857,479 $5 $11
    1983 3,138,765 $4 $11
    1984 2,748,430 $5 $11
    1985 3,362,821 $5 $11
    1986 2,411,180 $5 $11
    1987 3,972,233 $5 $11
    1988 3,031,000 $5 $11
    1989 3,009,000 $5 $11
    1990 2,793,000 $5 $11
    1991 2,611,000 $5 $11
    1992 2,676,000 $5 $11
    1993 2,337,819 $5 $13
    1994 2,308,701 $5 $13
    1995 2,010,384 $7 $13
    1996 2,085,191 $6 $13
    1997 1,975,000 $8 $13
    1998 2,078,494 $7 $13
    1999 2,557,899 $9 $20
    2000 3,097,442 $7 $20
    2001 2,249,498 $9 $20
    2002 2,319,786 $9 $20
    2003 2,245,295 $5 $20
    2004 1,804,396 $8 $23
    2005 2,275,000 $8 $23
    2006 2,000,428 $8 $23
    2007 1,717,972 $16 $27
    2008 1,405,674 $26 $27
    2009 1,477,967 $18 $30
    2010 1,103,950 $28 $32
    2011 1,098,175 $32 $32
    2012 794,002 $115 $32
    2013 802,460 $31 $32
    2014 713,210 $27 $29
    2015 618,779 $27 $33

    Total 68,355,286 $912 $761

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  18. onecenter

    onecenter Member

    I truly appreciate this kind of data.
     
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  19. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    So what else is new? When will people learn to stop buying these modern coin garbages? ...:banghead:
     
  20. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    As the year ends, I thought it a good time to update the clad proof sets from 1955-2016. The mint is still selling the 2015 and 2016 sets. Mintages continue to decline each year for these deadbeats. It appears that everyone is now fully aware of this fact and are removing them from their Christmas lists. Apparently, the mint is unable to see this steady decline, charges too much, mints too many, and sells them for a couple of years after the original mintage year. Their values continue to dwindle. The 2012 set is holding some value but it is seeing some significant decline. Here is the Christmas bust for you:

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    And if you like charts:

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  21. spanky55

    spanky55 New Member

    hiya, I just found your post so my reply is kinda dated, both the 2014 and 2015 clad proof set are lower mintages than the 2012 and the 2015 silver set is lower than the 2012. New Key dates? haven't seen any pop in the prices yet.
     
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