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<p>[QUOTE="Coinsandmedals, post: 3740064, member: 107435"]I have not run across a gilt example before, but I am not surprised that they exist. I think the term "pattern" in this context is a bit misleading. With that said, several references still refer to them as "patterns". Montagu, for instance, cataloged with these with some detail but made no mention as to why he included them as patterns. However, it should be noted that Montagu, as some note, was not very keen on details. Peck lists these items as "uncertain" pieces and makes the case that they were officially struck but not as pattern farthings. It seems as though this point is mostly grounded in the fact that copper, as opposed to tin, was used to strike these pieces. Peck notes that these "patterns" were likely nothing more than officially struck medalets. </p><p><br /></p><p>I just wiped the dust off of my 1895 copy of Montagu, and it appears he even makes a note that these pieces were likely struck as jettons or medalets for political purposes. Peck mentions this as well and does not include your piece in his catalog. From a quick glance, it appears your piece is listed as Montagu 18 (pg. 71 of the 1895 edition of "The Copper, Tin, and Bronze Coinage and Patterns for Coins of England").[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Coinsandmedals, post: 3740064, member: 107435"]I have not run across a gilt example before, but I am not surprised that they exist. I think the term "pattern" in this context is a bit misleading. With that said, several references still refer to them as "patterns". Montagu, for instance, cataloged with these with some detail but made no mention as to why he included them as patterns. However, it should be noted that Montagu, as some note, was not very keen on details. Peck lists these items as "uncertain" pieces and makes the case that they were officially struck but not as pattern farthings. It seems as though this point is mostly grounded in the fact that copper, as opposed to tin, was used to strike these pieces. Peck notes that these "patterns" were likely nothing more than officially struck medalets. I just wiped the dust off of my 1895 copy of Montagu, and it appears he even makes a note that these pieces were likely struck as jettons or medalets for political purposes. Peck mentions this as well and does not include your piece in his catalog. From a quick glance, it appears your piece is listed as Montagu 18 (pg. 71 of the 1895 edition of "The Copper, Tin, and Bronze Coinage and Patterns for Coins of England").[/QUOTE]
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