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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3366381, member: 56859"]Here's a problem coin. In addition to is horrid condition, this week I took a closer look and realized it is a fake <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie9" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie81" alt=":shifty:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. I think it's a beat-up cast of a cast! I bought it in 2013, not long after starting to collect ancient coins, and I didn't know about the fakes databases and also I wrongly assumed that dealers on Numisbids/Sixbids wouldn't have any fakes <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. Somehow I never went back and took a closer look at the coin, despite posting it on CT several times <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.</p><p><br /></p><p>It was from Ibercoin, the only coin I've purchased from them. I'll contact them Monday and see what they say about a refund.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's tiny and I'd never taken a magnified look at it <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. That "crack" looks like it was made with a tool, or like someone attempted to deepen a filled crack on a cast. It does not resemble a real die crack. That's just one of the red flags. It matches the composite of fakes posted below the coin. The obverse is different but only in the centering. See how the bottom of the bust is curved? It matches where the bust ended at the bottom edge of the flan on the cast fakes. Someone tried to re-center it on mine but they didn't get it quite right under the bust. The obverse should have a dotted border too and there is no trace of it whatsoever under the bust on my coin even though it would be on flan with this centering. Also, there is a hint of a die crack or mold flaw behind the elephant on all of these fakes.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/hannibalelephantquartershekelmed-jpg.298403/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>Barcids of Spain, Carthago Nova</b></p><p>237-209 BCE</p><p>AR 1/4 shekel</p><p>Obv: laureate male head left (Herakles? Hannibal?); club over far shoulder</p><p>Rev: Elephant walking right.</p><p>Ref: MHC 47; CNH 15; SNG BM Spain 102</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/albums/userpics/11686/normal_Archivo_Fakes_0%2C25_shekel_Elefante.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Further condemning the coin, I can't find any other presumably authentic examples which die-match this elephant.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3366381, member: 56859"]Here's a problem coin. In addition to is horrid condition, this week I took a closer look and realized it is a fake :eek::oops::shifty:. I think it's a beat-up cast of a cast! I bought it in 2013, not long after starting to collect ancient coins, and I didn't know about the fakes databases and also I wrongly assumed that dealers on Numisbids/Sixbids wouldn't have any fakes :rolleyes:. Somehow I never went back and took a closer look at the coin, despite posting it on CT several times :oops:. It was from Ibercoin, the only coin I've purchased from them. I'll contact them Monday and see what they say about a refund. It's tiny and I'd never taken a magnified look at it :oops:. That "crack" looks like it was made with a tool, or like someone attempted to deepen a filled crack on a cast. It does not resemble a real die crack. That's just one of the red flags. It matches the composite of fakes posted below the coin. The obverse is different but only in the centering. See how the bottom of the bust is curved? It matches where the bust ended at the bottom edge of the flan on the cast fakes. Someone tried to re-center it on mine but they didn't get it quite right under the bust. The obverse should have a dotted border too and there is no trace of it whatsoever under the bust on my coin even though it would be on flan with this centering. Also, there is a hint of a die crack or mold flaw behind the elephant on all of these fakes. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/hannibalelephantquartershekelmed-jpg.298403/[/IMG] [B]Barcids of Spain, Carthago Nova[/B] 237-209 BCE AR 1/4 shekel Obv: laureate male head left (Herakles? Hannibal?); club over far shoulder Rev: Elephant walking right. Ref: MHC 47; CNH 15; SNG BM Spain 102 [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/albums/userpics/11686/normal_Archivo_Fakes_0%2C25_shekel_Elefante.jpg[/IMG] Further condemning the coin, I can't find any other presumably authentic examples which die-match this elephant.[/QUOTE]
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