Chipped but exceptional

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Jay GT4, Feb 16, 2019.

  1. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    I've been trying to stay away from problem coins but I just couldn't resist this one. Minted during Hannibal's occupation of Tarentum during the 2nd punic war. Although the Carthaginians couldn't take the citadel they did control the city and Hannibal installed his own magistrates. Coins were minted using the Punic shekel standard. Although chipped the detail and strike is impressive!

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-153346


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    Punic occupation half shekel

    Nude youth on horseback to left, crowning horse with wreath; IΩ to right, ΣΩΓENHΣ below

    Taras astride dolphin to left, holding cornucopiae and Nike who crowns him with wreath; TAPAΣ below.

    Calabria, Tarentum ; Punic occupation, circa 212-209 BC

    AR Reduced didrachm or Half-Shekel.

    2.69g chipped otherwise VF+

    Vlasto 975-7; HN Italy 1079.

    Ex-ANE

    Extremely rare!

    Let's see your so-called problem coins, chips, scratches, holes...
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I can see why you couldn't resist. I have a couple of "problem" coins I couldn't resist as well.

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    GELA, SICILY
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  4. Orfew

    Orfew Supporter! Supporter

    Nice catch Jay! I love historically important coins.

    Here is one of my chipped coins.

    Caligula denarius
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  5. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Nice ones! I'd be happy with any of them.
     
  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    Dagnabbit, another type for The List and I still don't even have a common type of Tarentum nomos! Curses, Jay :p :D.
     
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    randygeki Coin Collector

  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    A broken Domitian quinarius.

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    Domitian as Caesar
    AR Quinarius (Broken), 1.04g
    Rome mint, 75 AD (Vespasian)
    RIC 791 (C). BMC 158. RSC 634.
    Obv: CAES AVG F DOMIT COS III; Head of Domitian, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: VICTORIA AVGVSTI; Victory std. l., with wreath and palm
    Acquired from GB Collection, June 2016
     
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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    Here's a problem coin. In addition to is horrid condition, this week I took a closer look and realized it is a fake :eek::oops::shifty:. I think it's a beat-up cast of a cast! I bought it in 2013, not long after starting to collect ancient coins, and I didn't know about the fakes databases and also I wrongly assumed that dealers on Numisbids/Sixbids wouldn't have any fakes :rolleyes:. Somehow I never went back and took a closer look at the coin, despite posting it on CT several times :oops:.

    It was from Ibercoin, the only coin I've purchased from them. I'll contact them Monday and see what they say about a refund.

    It's tiny and I'd never taken a magnified look at it :oops:. That "crack" looks like it was made with a tool, or like someone attempted to deepen a filled crack on a cast. It does not resemble a real die crack. That's just one of the red flags. It matches the composite of fakes posted below the coin. The obverse is different but only in the centering. See how the bottom of the bust is curved? It matches where the bust ended at the bottom edge of the flan on the cast fakes. Someone tried to re-center it on mine but they didn't get it quite right under the bust. The obverse should have a dotted border too and there is no trace of it whatsoever under the bust on my coin even though it would be on flan with this centering. Also, there is a hint of a die crack or mold flaw behind the elephant on all of these fakes.


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    Barcids of Spain, Carthago Nova
    237-209 BCE
    AR 1/4 shekel
    Obv: laureate male head left (Herakles? Hannibal?); club over far shoulder
    Rev: Elephant walking right.
    Ref: MHC 47; CNH 15; SNG BM Spain 102

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    Further condemning the coin, I can't find any other presumably authentic examples which die-match this elephant.
     
  10. AnYangMan

    AnYangMan Well-Known Member

    Sweet and historic coin, @Jay GT4!

    The Chinese equivalent would be something along the lines of this spade; Chipped foot, as well as harshly cleaned, but an extremely rare inscription (大陰 Da Yin) in combination with the square feet (the only one I have ever seen on the western market...)

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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I am really trying to kick the habit of buying such coins but I have several from the old days. I believe the one I would find hardest to leave behind is this chipped Commodus of Flaviopolis with Isis and Serapis. I paid $30 for it which seems like a lot for a broken coin. CNG has sold three, all intact and more expensive. Such is life among the broken coin collectors.
    https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.asp...1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1&VIEW_TYPE=0
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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    That's too bad. Hopefully you can get a refund. Good luck!
     
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  13. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    I'd be happy with that!

    @TIF let us know what they say.
     
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  14. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Here is my really bad coin...
    From Galerie Numismatique
    AV Hyperpyron ND Constantinople Mint 5.22g. 24mm.
    Johannes V Palaiologos/ Johannes VI Kantakuzenos 1347-53
    Bought it because its very rarely seen, and it was graded EF, but most of these are crudely struck. I got it by a proxy bid of 1050 euros:happy: Even the auction house photo is bad, looks way better in hand. 2233404l.jpg
     
  15. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    I think modern US coins with such clips, given they were made at the Mint, are classified as "Mint error coins". They actually worth more than the originals.
     
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  16. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    Nice! I really need one of those Punic occupation half-shekels.

    While I like holed coins, chipped or broken coins I'm not so fond of. I was, however, very glad to find this exceptionally rare hemiobol of Pherai in a small, affordable group lot. A little bit at the edge broke off and was glued back on, but in this case, I really can't quibble. While I like the coins of Thessaly, it's unlikely I'd ever be able to bring myself to upgrade to a non-damaged example (the most recent one sold in a Dec 2018 auction for a whopping CHF 950 before fees).

    Thessaly Pherai - Hemiobol Dog.jpg
    THESSALY, Pherai
    Very Rare. Repaired. AR Hemiobol. 0.27g, 8.3mm. THESSALY, Pherai, circa 360s-350s BC. BCD Thessaly II 694; HGC 4, 563; Imhoof-Blumer 1908, p. 93, 277, pl. VI, 38; cf. Nomos 4, 1306 corr. O: Head of Ennodia right: R: Φ - E, hunting dog sitting right.
    Ex BCD Collection
     
  17. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    @zumbly nice one!

    Here's another chipped from my collection. Beautiful toning

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    Lucania Sybaris drachm

    Bull standing to left on dotted ground line, head turned back to right; all within border of dots VM in exergue

    Bull standing to right, on dotted ground line; around, border of dots; all incuse.

    LUCANIA, Sybaris

    Circa 550-510 BC.

    2.04g

    HN III 1736. SNG ANS 847 ff.

    Chipped. Old cabinet toning.

    Ex-Londinium
     
  18. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    I only have two chipped/broken and both weren't cheap even with their problem. 560_large_4c29983d26c06c4cbc8c12a42a771dc9.jpg
    Curia Julia senate house denarius 29 BC, Octavian. 3.5gm. AA-1.jpg
    Roman Provincial. MACEDON. Koinon of Macedonia. Pseudo-autonamous 222 AD to 249 AD . Æ (27mm, 11.19 g, 6h). Beroea mint. Unpublished.
     
  19. Orfew

    Orfew Supporter! Supporter

    That Octavian is broken in just the right way.
     
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  20. My first Nero. :)

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    A broken Qi knife which I repaired.

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    Shattered extremely rare :( round Chinese coins.

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    Two halves of two different coins. ;)

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    A broken rare hollow-handle spade. It’s not pretty, but I won’t complain for $30!

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    Another damaged hollow-handle, but I like this one. :)

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  21. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    +1
     
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