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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 997707, member: 57463"]你好吗?</p><p>Nihow ma? (Or "Nihow are you?", a joke none of my Chinese colleagues ever found funny.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Zeroeth Law: Never, ever ever ever buy anything Chinese unless you are absolutely confident of the dealer. If you have not seen Susan Headley's video on About.Com about a Chinese counterfeiting factory (<a href="http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoins/ig/Chinese-Counterfeiting-Ring/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoins/ig/Chinese-Counterfeiting-Ring/" rel="nofollow">here</a>) you are the last person on Earth not to know. Start with the assumption that the object is fake. Then work from there.</p><p><br /></p><p>First Rule: <b>Buy the book before you buy the coin.</b> David Hartill's <i>Cast Chinese Coinage</i> is all right. It is modern and it does rest on several well known classics, including "Fisher's Ding" and "Schjoth." </p><p><br /></p><ul> <li><i>Chinese currency</i> (currency of the Far East). A comprehensive text... Chou dynasty (1122 B.C.--255 B.C.) through Ch'ing dynasty (1644 A.D.--1911 A.D.). by Fredrik Schjoth. </li> <li><i>Fisher's Ding or Din Fubao's catalog </i>of old Chinese cast coinage selectively translated and annotated, with coin numbering, modern pricing, an index, a cross-reference to Schjoth's catalog, transliteration conversion tables, Manchu writing examples, a list of Qing Dynasty mints, etc., added. by Fu-Pao Ting</li> </ul><p><br /></p><p>And then there are the works of Kann:</p><p>Eduard Kann / Edward Kann </p><ul> <li>History of Chinese paper money (ancient). </li> <li>Coinage of the Chinese Emigre government, 1949-1957. </li> <li>The currencies of China; an investigation of gold and silver transactions affecting China, with a section of copper. </li> <li>Early Chinese silver coinage. </li> <li>Illustrated catalog of Chinese coins (gold, silver, nickel and aluminum).</li> </ul><p>You can get them all from the ANA Library, if you are an ANA Member, whiich you ought to consider at this stage of your hobby.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for dealers, if you stick with ANA members in the USA you will have fewer problems, and if you do, the problems can be solved. A search of the ANA Website lists about 15. Of them, the only one I know is Scott Semans in Issaquah, Washington. I would avoid offshore companies, even if they are ANA Members. However, one stands out:</p><p>Taisei Stamps & Coins (HK) Ltd of Kowloon HONG KONG. They have a sterling reputation.</p><p><br /></p><p>Oddly, there is one dealer, not an ANA member whom I would recommend: Frank S. Robinson. I don't know why he never joined. He is a retired administrative (regulatory) law judge from upstate New York. I met him by buying ancients. I read and reviewed his book, <i>Confessions of a Numismatic Fanatic</i>, in which he talks about his early fascination with Chinese numismatics, an area he still markets. <a href="http://www.fsrcoin.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.fsrcoin.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fsrcoin.com/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>BTW, I have an interest in languages and I had two community college classes in Japanese for Business and then worked first for Kawasaki and then for Honda. From Japanese, it was an easy move to work a bit in Chinese numismatics. I went the route with cash coins, attributing them myself against the books, getting comfortable with the characters and all. When I was at Kawasaki, one of the Japanese majored in Chinese in college and work for KHI in China. I showed him my cash coins, all purchased from reputable ANA dealers. He said, "You can buy these today at The Great Wall." I pointed to the toning, the aging, and he said, "Overnight in pig brine." </p><p><br /></p><p>One of my other interests is aviation and as a tie-in to "Terry and the Pirates" I bought a couple of stacks of 20th century Chinese paper, but with a clear understanding that the KMT counterfeited its own currency. (See <i>The Soong Dynasty</i> by Seagrave. KMT looting of its own bank caused its banker H.H. Kung to abandon the effort and bring his wealth to America.) </p><p><br /></p><p>I still pursue some other interests with China, mostly as research material, not collecting. In addition to the cash, and modern struck coins, and modern paper, I have a slew of exonumia, tokens, chits and things, including some bamboo tokens good for tea, apparently, though sold to me as tax receipts for hot water.</p><p><br /></p><p>In had a class in History of China, a one-semester survey.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 997707, member: 57463"]你好吗? Nihow ma? (Or "Nihow are you?", a joke none of my Chinese colleagues ever found funny.) Zeroeth Law: Never, ever ever ever buy anything Chinese unless you are absolutely confident of the dealer. If you have not seen Susan Headley's video on About.Com about a Chinese counterfeiting factory ([URL="http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoins/ig/Chinese-Counterfeiting-Ring/"]here[/URL]) you are the last person on Earth not to know. Start with the assumption that the object is fake. Then work from there. First Rule: [B]Buy the book before you buy the coin.[/B] David Hartill's [I]Cast Chinese Coinage[/I] is all right. It is modern and it does rest on several well known classics, including "Fisher's Ding" and "Schjoth." [LIST] [*][I]Chinese currency[/I] (currency of the Far East). A comprehensive text... Chou dynasty (1122 B.C.--255 B.C.) through Ch'ing dynasty (1644 A.D.--1911 A.D.). by Fredrik Schjoth. [*][I]Fisher's Ding or Din Fubao's catalog [/I]of old Chinese cast coinage selectively translated and annotated, with coin numbering, modern pricing, an index, a cross-reference to Schjoth's catalog, transliteration conversion tables, Manchu writing examples, a list of Qing Dynasty mints, etc., added. by Fu-Pao Ting [/LIST] And then there are the works of Kann: Eduard Kann / Edward Kann [LIST] [*]History of Chinese paper money (ancient). [*]Coinage of the Chinese Emigre government, 1949-1957. [*]The currencies of China; an investigation of gold and silver transactions affecting China, with a section of copper. [*]Early Chinese silver coinage. [*]Illustrated catalog of Chinese coins (gold, silver, nickel and aluminum). [/LIST] You can get them all from the ANA Library, if you are an ANA Member, whiich you ought to consider at this stage of your hobby. As for dealers, if you stick with ANA members in the USA you will have fewer problems, and if you do, the problems can be solved. A search of the ANA Website lists about 15. Of them, the only one I know is Scott Semans in Issaquah, Washington. I would avoid offshore companies, even if they are ANA Members. However, one stands out: Taisei Stamps & Coins (HK) Ltd of Kowloon HONG KONG. They have a sterling reputation. Oddly, there is one dealer, not an ANA member whom I would recommend: Frank S. Robinson. I don't know why he never joined. He is a retired administrative (regulatory) law judge from upstate New York. I met him by buying ancients. I read and reviewed his book, [I]Confessions of a Numismatic Fanatic[/I], in which he talks about his early fascination with Chinese numismatics, an area he still markets. [url]http://www.fsrcoin.com/[/url] BTW, I have an interest in languages and I had two community college classes in Japanese for Business and then worked first for Kawasaki and then for Honda. From Japanese, it was an easy move to work a bit in Chinese numismatics. I went the route with cash coins, attributing them myself against the books, getting comfortable with the characters and all. When I was at Kawasaki, one of the Japanese majored in Chinese in college and work for KHI in China. I showed him my cash coins, all purchased from reputable ANA dealers. He said, "You can buy these today at The Great Wall." I pointed to the toning, the aging, and he said, "Overnight in pig brine." One of my other interests is aviation and as a tie-in to "Terry and the Pirates" I bought a couple of stacks of 20th century Chinese paper, but with a clear understanding that the KMT counterfeited its own currency. (See [I]The Soong Dynasty[/I] by Seagrave. KMT looting of its own bank caused its banker H.H. Kung to abandon the effort and bring his wealth to America.) I still pursue some other interests with China, mostly as research material, not collecting. In addition to the cash, and modern struck coins, and modern paper, I have a slew of exonumia, tokens, chits and things, including some bamboo tokens good for tea, apparently, though sold to me as tax receipts for hot water. In had a class in History of China, a one-semester survey.[/QUOTE]
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