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<p>[QUOTE="imrich, post: 1277959, member: 22331"]<b>I'm "Fooled"</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>I bid on 8 different dates that were offered by the Chinese seller, sending an additional purchase offer through the eBay communication system, stating a willingness to purchase any additional dates available. I was outbid on one of coins, eventually winning 7 different date/condition Morgan dollar coins.</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>I never received a response to my purchase proposal, but wasn't amazed, as from past experiences with the eBay system, I've found discrepancies in forwarding/content, and have discussed/verified with others the matter of eBay selective transmittal auditing/voiding. EBay may eventually "over-step", and reap the rewards/penalties for their privacy violation actions. </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>I eventually received the specimens, leaving feedback indicating my appreciation and willingness to acquire additional specimens. The seller acted honorably in accordance with eBay terms of service, and never responded. </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>I've spent much of my life "reverse engineering" through patent and physical examinations, developing an appreciation for unique creativity. I find the subject of counterfeiting to be somewhat humorous as America is a rather infantile country that has developed a major portion of its' industry by "copying" ( with some often minor modifications) technology developed in other lands, established before our country was established. I believe one would find that our original currency press operation, and even some of the equipment was developed in other lands. There's evidence that the rudimentary original elements of our automobiles, space/rocketry program, industrial equipment, etc. were developed without. Regardless, I've purchased and studied fine copies, whether it be of a </b><b>Rembrandt</b><b> or Kalashnikov, to develop an objective appreciation. The Chinese "replicas" (having been labeled by myself as such on Obverse and Reverse) will remain in my possession (along with respective certified "originals") as evidence to refute/debunk some claims I've viewed.</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>My observations determined t</b><b>he coins to be generally much as previously posted in this thread, without any readily perceivable means for copy identification, non-magnetic, and within mint dimensional/weight tolerances. I compared them to certified specimens graded by the "premier TPG", and could find certified specimens having the "abnormalities" previously posted, which might indicate variation from U.S. mint nominally produced coins. I intermingled the coins with "authentic" comparable coins for viewing by theoretically knowledgeable individuals, and although some seemingly guessed correct on a few, none could guess in the majority, or establish a logical exceptional consistent basis for their claim. Their "discovery" was generally inconsistently intuitive.</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>In my humble opinion, I wouldn't purchase a rare date Numismatic item today unless it was verifiably encapsulated by a firm with a "reasonable" repurchase policy, as some of these "counterfeit" coins are seemingly </b><b>undetectable</b><b>. </b>:thumb:[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="imrich, post: 1277959, member: 22331"][b]I'm "Fooled"[/b] [B]I bid on 8 different dates that were offered by the Chinese seller, sending an additional purchase offer through the eBay communication system, stating a willingness to purchase any additional dates available. I was outbid on one of coins, eventually winning 7 different date/condition Morgan dollar coins. I never received a response to my purchase proposal, but wasn't amazed, as from past experiences with the eBay system, I've found discrepancies in forwarding/content, and have discussed/verified with others the matter of eBay selective transmittal auditing/voiding. EBay may eventually "over-step", and reap the rewards/penalties for their privacy violation actions. I eventually received the specimens, leaving feedback indicating my appreciation and willingness to acquire additional specimens. The seller acted honorably in accordance with eBay terms of service, and never responded. I've spent much of my life "reverse engineering" through patent and physical examinations, developing an appreciation for unique creativity. I find the subject of counterfeiting to be somewhat humorous as America is a rather infantile country that has developed a major portion of its' industry by "copying" ( with some often minor modifications) technology developed in other lands, established before our country was established. I believe one would find that our original currency press operation, and even some of the equipment was developed in other lands. There's evidence that the rudimentary original elements of our automobiles, space/rocketry program, industrial equipment, etc. were developed without. Regardless, I've purchased and studied fine copies, whether it be of a [/B][B]Rembrandt[/B][B] or Kalashnikov, to develop an objective appreciation. The Chinese "replicas" (having been labeled by myself as such on Obverse and Reverse) will remain in my possession (along with respective certified "originals") as evidence to refute/debunk some claims I've viewed. My observations determined t[/B][B]he coins to be generally much as previously posted in this thread, without any readily perceivable means for copy identification, non-magnetic, and within mint dimensional/weight tolerances. I compared them to certified specimens graded by the "premier TPG", and could find certified specimens having the "abnormalities" previously posted, which might indicate variation from U.S. mint nominally produced coins. I intermingled the coins with "authentic" comparable coins for viewing by theoretically knowledgeable individuals, and although some seemingly guessed correct on a few, none could guess in the majority, or establish a logical exceptional consistent basis for their claim. Their "discovery" was generally inconsistently intuitive. In my humble opinion, I wouldn't purchase a rare date Numismatic item today unless it was verifiably encapsulated by a firm with a "reasonable" repurchase policy, as some of these "counterfeit" coins are seemingly [/B][B]undetectable[/B][B]. [/B]:thumb:[/QUOTE]
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