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<p>[QUOTE="Zat a Fact, post: 852546, member: 24517"]<b>The problem is more Complicated than we thought!</b></p><p><br /></p><p>We have people chewing the fat about what is legal, when and where. The fact remains the USA has enough trouble enforcing our own laws let alone trying to enforce our laws in another country. With Toyota in the news today I'll try to make this analogy.</p><p><br /></p><p>Toyotas built in Japan, the USA or any country can be built to any standard the manufacturer desires. If they wanted to make a car which would cause the brakes to fail at 24,800 miles there is nothing to stop them. But where the fly gets into the ointment is where they plan on selling the cars. Cars built in Canada for the American market were made without the headlights being turned on at startup even after those were no longer sold legally in Canada. GM would not have to spend the extra dollars to include that feature when it was not needed in the United States. Every corner they can legally cut adds to the bottom line. </p><p><br /></p><p>Applying this to coins: China can and does manufacture any thing they want. A counterfeit 1804 Dollar only becomes illegal when it enters the United States. </p><p><br /></p><p>During my time as a bureaucrat with ICE (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) we would be treated to an article in the in house rag about seizures of a Million dollars worth of Jeans, Jewelry, purses, whatever. This would be the result of an undercover sting about importation involving trademark infringement. Possession of this material in the US is a crime so the recipient of the stuff could be arrested. Not being a cop myself I do not know how they would devise a sting concerning numerous individual packages entering the country. Each of these small packages have a Customs Declaration saying it contains: Crafts, Souvenirs, etc. There is something there but how do you apply it? That would be the difficult part. </p><p><br /></p><p>I would guess that Ebay and Paypal could be co-conspirators with the buyer in the importation of this contraband. Even though the seller tells Ebay that their coins are marked as required by the law, Showing a consistant pattern of goods delivered without the required mark should carry some weight in the courts. It would certainly carry a lot of weight at Ebay offices. </p><p><br /></p><p>Do we have a prosecuting attorney in our midst or a tough old customs agent? </p><p> Time for bed!</p><p><br /></p><p>Read more: <a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t95466/#ixzz0kBPgblw9" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t95466/#ixzz0kBPgblw9">http://www.cointalk.com/t95466/#ixzz0kBPgblw9</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Zat a Fact, post: 852546, member: 24517"][b]The problem is more Complicated than we thought![/b] We have people chewing the fat about what is legal, when and where. The fact remains the USA has enough trouble enforcing our own laws let alone trying to enforce our laws in another country. With Toyota in the news today I'll try to make this analogy. Toyotas built in Japan, the USA or any country can be built to any standard the manufacturer desires. If they wanted to make a car which would cause the brakes to fail at 24,800 miles there is nothing to stop them. But where the fly gets into the ointment is where they plan on selling the cars. Cars built in Canada for the American market were made without the headlights being turned on at startup even after those were no longer sold legally in Canada. GM would not have to spend the extra dollars to include that feature when it was not needed in the United States. Every corner they can legally cut adds to the bottom line. Applying this to coins: China can and does manufacture any thing they want. A counterfeit 1804 Dollar only becomes illegal when it enters the United States. During my time as a bureaucrat with ICE (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) we would be treated to an article in the in house rag about seizures of a Million dollars worth of Jeans, Jewelry, purses, whatever. This would be the result of an undercover sting about importation involving trademark infringement. Possession of this material in the US is a crime so the recipient of the stuff could be arrested. Not being a cop myself I do not know how they would devise a sting concerning numerous individual packages entering the country. Each of these small packages have a Customs Declaration saying it contains: Crafts, Souvenirs, etc. There is something there but how do you apply it? That would be the difficult part. I would guess that Ebay and Paypal could be co-conspirators with the buyer in the importation of this contraband. Even though the seller tells Ebay that their coins are marked as required by the law, Showing a consistant pattern of goods delivered without the required mark should carry some weight in the courts. It would certainly carry a lot of weight at Ebay offices. Do we have a prosecuting attorney in our midst or a tough old customs agent? Time for bed! Read more: [url]http://www.cointalk.com/t95466/#ixzz0kBPgblw9[/url][/QUOTE]
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