Chinese counterfeiter on ebay

Anything that is done on Ebay.com falls under American law. That is why Ebay.com and Ebay.ca are no longer allowed to have replica Canadian coins. Jinghueishi....sells on Ebay.com there is the breaking of American law. Paypal is bound to American law. Seems straight forward to me. Being in China has nothing to do with it?

 

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I guess on a personal note I will limit my coin collecting to roll searching and local flea markets & estate sales , where I can at least see , touch and maybe even weigh the coins.

 

Then Toyotas are bound by Japanese laws? Chevys are bound by Canadian law? And on and on? American law is not superior to anyone else's laws nor are theirs superior to ours. And, no, PayPal is not bound to American law. It absolutely cannot work that way. Just use some logic and you will see that.

Yes, Jinghueishi sells on eBay. What he sells to America on eBay, he is bound by American law. Look at his listings. He is following American laws on eBay. He does not offer unstamped coins. Selling marked coins is legal even under American law.

BTW, Canadian counterfeiting law is very strict and enforced. That is why there are no such coins on eBay.ca, but they can still get Jinghueishi's listings just like we can.

 

I'd be more affraid of seeing these pop up at fleamarkets honestly. Every other chinese knock off can be found there, from cast iron "antiques" to you name it!

 

That is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. All replicas being sold should have to be clearly stamped "on the coin or note" , but that is not what is happening. If you go to the coins category on eBay and click on Replicas & Reproductions you will see many listings that tell you their coins are fakes but the images of the OBV & REV show no clear marking or stamp of it being fake. That seems like authorized counterfeiting.

 

If they are not marked, they are violating the American law and can be arrested.

 

Show me some or report them yourself. I guarantee eBay will pull them.

 

You know I was trying to do just that and I discovered that I was wrong. I was unable to locate a single coin being advertised that did not have "copy" stamped on it. I just did not look hard enough the first time I went there. Some were hard for me to see but they were definitely marked.
My mistake.

 

Don't get me wrong. There absolutely is a problem, but it is not eBay nor is it eBay's responsibility to fix. Someone has to bully China into ratifying the copyright/counterfeiting treaty.

 

While it's clearly against the law to sell counterfeit coins as real ones how does an Ebay buyer protect himself against sellers that knowingly or unknowingly sell them? Particularly those of us that can't easily spot a counterfeit? We as buyers have to have the discipline NOT to buy items that can't be verified as authentic. I have sent coins back to sellers that didn't advertise their coins as cleaned when I got them and found out they had been and I don't buy items that are labeled as "Replica" or "Copy".
I doubt we can bully China into anything RLM, but it would be nice to bully Ebay and Paypal into boycotting sellers that clearly advertise fakes as Mr. Jinghueishi is.

 

You don't have a prayer in #$%@ of bullying eBay into anything, but if you like windmills, go for it. I doubt that eBay will even hear that such a boycott exists.

Like I stated earlier, coins are one of the smaller problems in this area. If you join up with the fashion industry, the music industry, the movie industry, etc., you might have a shot at convincing our government to enforce, bully, or do something to help abate this problem

 

For my part, I'm going to commence minting fake Chinese pandas.

 

Thats unbelievable!! Oh my god!! It sounds like they can make anything
This is very scary!!

 

FWIW, I did manage to find 5 that broke the eBay rules and reported them last night. They have all been removed this morning.

 

Do you know of any books or Internet links that I could read to help me judge whether a coin is bad or not? A lot of the pictures on Ebay are pretty bad too - some on purpose maybe?

 

rlm, you are wrong about how the fakes got pulled in Canada and as to why. It was the collector base that screamed and kicked at officials. As for your argument about Jing.. not breaking any laws.......that I find laughable. You are also misguided in believing that Ebay.com and Paypal are not bound by American law. Why not try to use your experience and wisdom to stop the influx..rather than condoneing it? Just a thought.

 

I think you are comparing apples to oranges here.

Are Toyota's bound by Japanese Law? When the product is sold in Japan, Yes. When the product is built specifically for the United States Market, No. Those products destined for the American Market are built to American Law and Standards.

There are vehicles which are built and marketed abroad by many, many manufacturers which are not legal to sell in the USA. As a metter of fact, there are many products available abroad which you can legally buy on the internet but which are illegal to IMPORT into this country.

eBay AND PayPal, both American based countries, can and should be directed to not allow the selling of ANY coin from a Nationally Published Counterfeit Operation. Whether its China or some other country does not matter. There fact that they are producing counterfeit replica's and publish that those "replica's" can be delivered without the word "REPLICA" or "COPY" stamped into them (which if done in this country would most certainly dictate a Federal Prison sentence) should be evidence enough.

 

Sure, coin collectors are concerned, but whats to do? coins are but just a small portion of trade problems with China, a problem easily resolved by not purchasing from known dealers abroad. As for ebay taking action... good luck...after getting rich off Mom & Pops sells here in the USA, they expanded to all parts of the world. :bigeyes:

 

As for the first part of your comment, enjoy your windmill.

As for using my "experience and wisdom", I do.
1) I do not patronize such companies.
2) I try to spread the word.
3) I report any offender I see on eBay.
4) I have had more them one seller removed from eBay.
5) I have suggested how to oppose such tripe and condoned nothing they are doing.

Now, just what have you done?

 

Being Canadian, I was directly involved with Ebay, the Press as well as officials in both Gov't and Law enforcement in the battle (which it was) over the counterfeits.
As for the windmill comment? The exact same comments were used here(in Canada). Like I said earlier.....turn off the faucet, then clean up the mess. It is the young and inexperienced collectors who are at risk. The TPG companies love the things.
How about voicing an ammendment to the Hobby Protection Act which states something like this......The Copy/Replica stamp must be integral with the die. Hand stamping will not be tolerated............
Again, just a thought.