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<p>[QUOTE="silverite, post: 1968278, member: 71762"]I have read all of the above remarks, watched vides of the chaos in Denver. I am an ANA member and had my badge for the show. I decided to try for a coin on wednesday morning at 12:00 a.m. The line was about 200 strong at that point. There did seem to be an unusual amount on non-english speaking asians in line, who seemed to have associates join them in line, despite people telling them to go to the back of the line. There were droves of paid people sporting yellow entry ribbons, which they got from their managers in line. For the most part barring the fact that many did not know who was on the coin, or why, it was a civil gathering. The main problem seemed to happen when the tour-bus full of paid people arrived at the back of the line. They gradually walked up along the hotel facade to stand about 10 feet behind those at the beginning of the line, but not cutting in. The problem started when the Rosemont police decided to move the line accross the street about 1:55 A.M.. There were about 7 to ten officers and several police cars present, but instead of trying to guide the line forward between them, basically stood out of the way except for one officer with a bull horn in the middle of the street. He announced we were to move accross in a neat and orderly fashion, but there was no effort to direct. There was an immediate stampede, as all of the bussed in people ran through the line and across the street, and were immediately followed by everyone else trying to at least stay in the first 500. The dealers who sponsored these people showed the utmost in greed, and they are whom I blame the most for the debacle that happened. It was true, I did have to stand all night in the middle of the sprinkler system for an hour,( one person took two trafic cones and covered two of the sprinklers which helped. I did have a few people offer to let me sit in their chairs, but I din't see any reason they should suffer for my lack of preparedness. I did watch the security try to weed out line cutters, check badges and do what they could. I believe I saw you, Mr. Bellum, on the inside between the two inside lines. I thought all of the staff was very friendly considering what they were dealing with. I did get my coin,( and a migraine from standing out all night in the cold and damp), so went home and came back the next day. I did enjoy the show, and would not want the U.S. Mint to not participate. I have always enjoyed their booth, and look forward to seeing their new releases. I wuld hate to see them not bring their newest products, as I firmly believe the quality of the coins they bring to the show are superior on an average from those ordered on line. If you read some of the blogs where people are now receiving the Kennedy they ordered on line, there is a lot of disatisfaction in the quality. Having said this I don't think there was much the ANA could have done that the culprit dealers that did the bussing couldn't have found a way to get around. I know not everyone agrees with this, but I think with the mint saying they had 40,000 ready for distribution through various outlets on the 5th, they could have brought in much more than 500 a day! If they would have brought 10,000 or there abouts for the show, they would I believe have eliminated the frenzy as supply would have met demand, and would still have left 30,000 for other distribution. I think they hyped this coin to overkill with teasing stories, check back later, leaked stories, and a refusal to state the mintage level until the very end, and for this reason besides the dealers mentioned, I believe the main fault lies with the Mint for shorting the supply.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="silverite, post: 1968278, member: 71762"]I have read all of the above remarks, watched vides of the chaos in Denver. I am an ANA member and had my badge for the show. I decided to try for a coin on wednesday morning at 12:00 a.m. The line was about 200 strong at that point. There did seem to be an unusual amount on non-english speaking asians in line, who seemed to have associates join them in line, despite people telling them to go to the back of the line. There were droves of paid people sporting yellow entry ribbons, which they got from their managers in line. For the most part barring the fact that many did not know who was on the coin, or why, it was a civil gathering. The main problem seemed to happen when the tour-bus full of paid people arrived at the back of the line. They gradually walked up along the hotel facade to stand about 10 feet behind those at the beginning of the line, but not cutting in. The problem started when the Rosemont police decided to move the line accross the street about 1:55 A.M.. There were about 7 to ten officers and several police cars present, but instead of trying to guide the line forward between them, basically stood out of the way except for one officer with a bull horn in the middle of the street. He announced we were to move accross in a neat and orderly fashion, but there was no effort to direct. There was an immediate stampede, as all of the bussed in people ran through the line and across the street, and were immediately followed by everyone else trying to at least stay in the first 500. The dealers who sponsored these people showed the utmost in greed, and they are whom I blame the most for the debacle that happened. It was true, I did have to stand all night in the middle of the sprinkler system for an hour,( one person took two trafic cones and covered two of the sprinklers which helped. I did have a few people offer to let me sit in their chairs, but I din't see any reason they should suffer for my lack of preparedness. I did watch the security try to weed out line cutters, check badges and do what they could. I believe I saw you, Mr. Bellum, on the inside between the two inside lines. I thought all of the staff was very friendly considering what they were dealing with. I did get my coin,( and a migraine from standing out all night in the cold and damp), so went home and came back the next day. I did enjoy the show, and would not want the U.S. Mint to not participate. I have always enjoyed their booth, and look forward to seeing their new releases. I wuld hate to see them not bring their newest products, as I firmly believe the quality of the coins they bring to the show are superior on an average from those ordered on line. If you read some of the blogs where people are now receiving the Kennedy they ordered on line, there is a lot of disatisfaction in the quality. Having said this I don't think there was much the ANA could have done that the culprit dealers that did the bussing couldn't have found a way to get around. I know not everyone agrees with this, but I think with the mint saying they had 40,000 ready for distribution through various outlets on the 5th, they could have brought in much more than 500 a day! If they would have brought 10,000 or there abouts for the show, they would I believe have eliminated the frenzy as supply would have met demand, and would still have left 30,000 for other distribution. I think they hyped this coin to overkill with teasing stories, check back later, leaked stories, and a refusal to state the mintage level until the very end, and for this reason besides the dealers mentioned, I believe the main fault lies with the Mint for shorting the supply.[/QUOTE]
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