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<p>[QUOTE="jaceravone, post: 540100, member: 9474"]Cherrypicking is a term used in numismatics to describe the event of knowingly seeking and purchasing a numismatic item from a dealer or seller for a value much less than what should be attributed to the item. The item may be a variety or error that is unattributed and would otherwise sell for a premium if discovered. Not all varieties or errors command higher prices. Those that do not command higher prices would probably, by most accounts, not be considered cherrypicking, but rather a lucky find. Those coins that do command higher prices usually bring the most excitement. A quick example of cherrypicking would be to find an 1964 proof accented hair Kennedy half dollar and purchase it for the price of a regular 1964 proof. Using the 2008 Redbook as a quick reference, the difference between the two is a $9 coin vs. a $30 coin. Cherrypicking does not necessarily have to do with finding a variety or error. It could be as simple as buying a Lincoln cent binder with an 09 S VDB in the wrong spot unbeknown to the seller, but a terrific find for you (I know someone who this has happened to) or digging through a box of common date IHC and finding an 09S, but purchasing it as an 09 (I also know someone who this has happened to). </p><p> </p><p>Cherrypicking is a practice that has long been in numismatics or any other hobby for that matter. Not everyone agrees with this practice, but many collectors believe the quote, "To the Victor, goes the Spoils." I guess Cherrypicking can go both ways. There are many ethical issues that arise when this happens. There are those that believe that individuals who have a greater understanding of numismatics should have an ethical courtesy to disclose to those who do not, when a error or variety is found. Early in my numismatic learnings, I bet I have been cherrypicked a few times by dealers and other collectors alike. Others believe that it is not their fault that a person is not educated about a coin or item and should not have to disclose their find to the seller. It is the seller's responsibility to know what he/she has. I am not here to defend either one, but simply to mention both sides of the coin (excuse the pun). <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>Now on to my story..... these past two days I have been working with a buddy of mine at our local coin show. What a great weekend. Business was brisk and steady. There were about 20-25 dealers set up with a great variety of stuff. On Saturday, I did not have much time to look around but caught up with an old friend/dealer who sat next to us. He was trying to get out of coin collecting all together and had some terrific coins for some great prices. I really got to work on completing my UNC Washington quarter set. Last night I was reading an article in numismatic news about the Adams mule medal that was found. A mule is a coin or medal that is minted with the obverse of one coin and the reverse of another. This could be done on purpose or without knowledge. The Adams mule has the obverse of the 2007 Abagail Adams medal and the reverse of the 2008 Louisa Adams medal. Although I don't collect these, I always find these types of errors interesting. Whenever I read about an error or variety that is found, I always keep an eye out for them when I am at a show. Today (Sunday), started off very slow (probably due to church) and I got to look around a bit. There are a few dealers who I will visit every year because either I know them and have dealt with them before or they are highly regarded in the business. So this morning I set out with more Washington quarters in mind and visited a dealer who is very well known and highly respected in the area. I have known him for a few years and later found out that he was the cousin of the guy I was working with. At a glance, I see a display case that had a bunch of First Spouse medals in it and decided to mosey on over and see if I could find the mule. So I am looking around and no sooner than I could catch my breath, but there is was.... The Adams mule!!! What was even more incredible was that there were two of them!!!!! So I nonchalantly purchased both along with a third (to look non-suspecting) and ran back to my table. Terribly excited that I had just cherrypicked the newly discovered mule, I was revealing in my glory. Then guilt started to set in. If there is one thing that I am known for, it is my brutal honesty. I'm the type of guy who finds a cherrypick, then brings it to the dealer's attention to let them know what they have. Then they usually mark it up a ton and try to sell it to me..... that is usually how it goes. So there I am, feeling guilty and the guy next to me asks me what's up? So I tell him my story and he is so excited for me. He told me not to worry and that this dealer would be happy for me too since he has been in the business for a long time and likes to see stuff like that. Then he asks to see the medals because he never heard of this mule. It was at this moment that I realized when I got them out that I had completely mistaken the two medals that I bought for the mules!!!! I couldn't believe it. Now my delight turns to disgust as I realized that I just threw $14 out the window. Here I was thinking that $14, although expensive for the normal medals, was an absolute steal for the mules. In the end, I just chuckled and chalked it up to experience. This is not the first time this has happened to me, and I am sure it won't be the last.</p><p> </p><p>There is no moral to the story, but rather a lesson to be learned..... when a potential cherrypick is found... take a deep breath and really look over the coin to make sure what you have is the item in question. I think it is ok to be proud of yourself. Cherrypicking is a culmination of all your studying about a particular item or coin. It is the end result of a lot of time and hard work and really getting to know your stuff. Call me crazy, but cherrypicking a dealer is part of the game. I think dealers know this. The guy I worked for admits that there is no possible way for him to know every little thing about every coin. He actually welcomes the thought of someone finding a "cherry". But I also believe that cherrypicking an unknowing person (a customer) is bad ethics and should not be condoned. It is our responsibility to inform and educate those who are less educated and bring a bit of ethics to the hobby. Joe[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="jaceravone, post: 540100, member: 9474"]Cherrypicking is a term used in numismatics to describe the event of knowingly seeking and purchasing a numismatic item from a dealer or seller for a value much less than what should be attributed to the item. The item may be a variety or error that is unattributed and would otherwise sell for a premium if discovered. Not all varieties or errors command higher prices. Those that do not command higher prices would probably, by most accounts, not be considered cherrypicking, but rather a lucky find. Those coins that do command higher prices usually bring the most excitement. A quick example of cherrypicking would be to find an 1964 proof accented hair Kennedy half dollar and purchase it for the price of a regular 1964 proof. Using the 2008 Redbook as a quick reference, the difference between the two is a $9 coin vs. a $30 coin. Cherrypicking does not necessarily have to do with finding a variety or error. It could be as simple as buying a Lincoln cent binder with an 09 S VDB in the wrong spot unbeknown to the seller, but a terrific find for you (I know someone who this has happened to) or digging through a box of common date IHC and finding an 09S, but purchasing it as an 09 (I also know someone who this has happened to). Cherrypicking is a practice that has long been in numismatics or any other hobby for that matter. Not everyone agrees with this practice, but many collectors believe the quote, "To the Victor, goes the Spoils." I guess Cherrypicking can go both ways. There are many ethical issues that arise when this happens. There are those that believe that individuals who have a greater understanding of numismatics should have an ethical courtesy to disclose to those who do not, when a error or variety is found. Early in my numismatic learnings, I bet I have been cherrypicked a few times by dealers and other collectors alike. Others believe that it is not their fault that a person is not educated about a coin or item and should not have to disclose their find to the seller. It is the seller's responsibility to know what he/she has. I am not here to defend either one, but simply to mention both sides of the coin (excuse the pun). ;) Now on to my story..... these past two days I have been working with a buddy of mine at our local coin show. What a great weekend. Business was brisk and steady. There were about 20-25 dealers set up with a great variety of stuff. On Saturday, I did not have much time to look around but caught up with an old friend/dealer who sat next to us. He was trying to get out of coin collecting all together and had some terrific coins for some great prices. I really got to work on completing my UNC Washington quarter set. Last night I was reading an article in numismatic news about the Adams mule medal that was found. A mule is a coin or medal that is minted with the obverse of one coin and the reverse of another. This could be done on purpose or without knowledge. The Adams mule has the obverse of the 2007 Abagail Adams medal and the reverse of the 2008 Louisa Adams medal. Although I don't collect these, I always find these types of errors interesting. Whenever I read about an error or variety that is found, I always keep an eye out for them when I am at a show. Today (Sunday), started off very slow (probably due to church) and I got to look around a bit. There are a few dealers who I will visit every year because either I know them and have dealt with them before or they are highly regarded in the business. So this morning I set out with more Washington quarters in mind and visited a dealer who is very well known and highly respected in the area. I have known him for a few years and later found out that he was the cousin of the guy I was working with. At a glance, I see a display case that had a bunch of First Spouse medals in it and decided to mosey on over and see if I could find the mule. So I am looking around and no sooner than I could catch my breath, but there is was.... The Adams mule!!! What was even more incredible was that there were two of them!!!!! So I nonchalantly purchased both along with a third (to look non-suspecting) and ran back to my table. Terribly excited that I had just cherrypicked the newly discovered mule, I was revealing in my glory. Then guilt started to set in. If there is one thing that I am known for, it is my brutal honesty. I'm the type of guy who finds a cherrypick, then brings it to the dealer's attention to let them know what they have. Then they usually mark it up a ton and try to sell it to me..... that is usually how it goes. So there I am, feeling guilty and the guy next to me asks me what's up? So I tell him my story and he is so excited for me. He told me not to worry and that this dealer would be happy for me too since he has been in the business for a long time and likes to see stuff like that. Then he asks to see the medals because he never heard of this mule. It was at this moment that I realized when I got them out that I had completely mistaken the two medals that I bought for the mules!!!! I couldn't believe it. Now my delight turns to disgust as I realized that I just threw $14 out the window. Here I was thinking that $14, although expensive for the normal medals, was an absolute steal for the mules. In the end, I just chuckled and chalked it up to experience. This is not the first time this has happened to me, and I am sure it won't be the last. There is no moral to the story, but rather a lesson to be learned..... when a potential cherrypick is found... take a deep breath and really look over the coin to make sure what you have is the item in question. I think it is ok to be proud of yourself. Cherrypicking is a culmination of all your studying about a particular item or coin. It is the end result of a lot of time and hard work and really getting to know your stuff. Call me crazy, but cherrypicking a dealer is part of the game. I think dealers know this. The guy I worked for admits that there is no possible way for him to know every little thing about every coin. He actually welcomes the thought of someone finding a "cherry". But I also believe that cherrypicking an unknowing person (a customer) is bad ethics and should not be condoned. It is our responsibility to inform and educate those who are less educated and bring a bit of ethics to the hobby. Joe[/QUOTE]
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